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GENERAL => General Discussion => Topic started by: _Zarathustra_ on March 16, 2018, 04:47:24 pm
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Match ID 1101. He didn't know I was zerg, and literally scouts 1 other choke and goes straight to me. lol if you think that people are going to even believe scouting a choke counts as a scout when you don't even know I'm z. I've watched most of his reps and he's done this multiple times. I thought it was suspect before but this confirms it. Get good, loser.
Edit: I've stated all obvious hacking reps below for your viewing pleasure. The rest are less obvious but still noticeable. I've also offered suspicious movements and play styles to further prove my accusations.
1008, 1006, 994, 953, 951, 940, 939, 890, 889, 884, 872, 861, 852, 724, 715. These are all blatant, I will now go into specifics with certain reps and bring certain movements into light.
On most games where Biggie is vs a zerg opponent, he scouts the chokes. This is funny to me because he can't know his opponent is zerg because these match ups are RvR. As shown in this rep (896) vs Mamba where he complains he never gets lucky with scouting to gain sympathy but then scouts 2 chokes and goes strait to Mumba.
He also purposfully skips the scouting of bases he knows his opponents are in to be less blatant but in this he actually becomes more obvious. (885)
Another thing he does is run towards and away from units he has no prior vision of as shown here. He deviates from initial scout at bottom right to gain vis of opponents worker. (866)
In one replay he locates his opponent with one ovie but continues to scout with other on right side of map when there is no longer a need for it. This is because he knows he hacks and wants to seem less obvious but becomes more obvious in doing so. (725)
To put this into perspective, this is 33% of his games. That's 1/3rd and the rest are also noticeable just less obvious. I Wouldn't even write up this thread if it were below 20% but I don't see how anyone with the ability to objectively look at evidence and formulate an accurate representation of reality can look at this and think Biggie is legit.
Sword, this should be enough evidence to exact justice.
I saw another few suspect hackers in observing biggies games that I won't call out, I'll just say that it only took me 90 minutes to look through all biggies games and write this up. Anyone else who wants to risk hacking after this, be my guest.
Look out for people who are in opposition towards me as they are probably scared I'll call them out.
Have a nice day everyone.
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Damn. This mean I can be 1-5 instead of 1-7 now?
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Damn. This mean I can be 1-5 instead of 1-7 now?
His account should be deleted. If i need to watch all reps and put ID's here, I will. He's done it alot.
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Damn. This mean I can be 1-5 instead of 1-7 now?
His account should be deleted. If i need to watch all reps and put ID's here, I will but I'm pretty sure this rep is sufficient. He's done it alot.
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Match ID 1101. Please Zarathustra's accusations doesn't have basis. You can watch the rep if you want even you can watch all my reps since 04 League started.
Let me explain what happend from my point of view I send a worker to the middle because that's what i always do when i'm terran due to I always want to know if my enemie is protoss and is making the atack "Middle zealots". As I didn't see anything i have to scout because my scv is at the middle and fortunately i found him at the first time and that is it. As i said at start you can watch my whole reps and you are going to see that i always do the same with terran sometimes it work and sometimes no. That's all i gotta to explain please "_Zarathustra_" don't make waste my time I'm latino and I have to use google translater.
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Match ID 1101. Please Zarathustra's accusations doesn't have basis. You can watch the rep if you want even you can watch all my reps since 04 League started.
Let me explain what happend from my point of view I send a worker to the middle because that's what i always do when i'm terran due to I always want to know if my enemie is protoss and is making the atack "Middle zealots". As I didn't see anything i have to scout because my scv is at the middle and fortunately i found him at the first time and that is it. As i said at start you can watch my whole reps and you are going to see that i always do the same with terran sometimes it work and sometimes no. That's all i gotta to explain please "_Zarathustra_" don't make waste my time I'm latino and I have to use google translater.
I updated the OP with enough proof for a judge. Enjoy your ban, Snake. Don't come back.
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Thanks for the report. I'll take a closer look later but based on the replays I did watch, there is a lot more work to be done if you want to establish that he's hacking. Statistically speaking, the evidence is not very strong. He scouts like that (chokes only) when hes facing Protoss as well, and some games, he doesn't find his opponent until the very last scout (e.g. https://www.starcraftworld.net/download.php?item=replay&gid=845&l=1&season=37)
Examples are never evidence of anything, because when you have such a large pool of replays, confirmation bias will always lead you to find examples of what you are trying to prove. Instead, you need to make claims backed up with numbers that would demonstrate that the chance of him doing what he's doing without hacking is statistically impossible. For example, something such as "when hes terran and facing zerg, he scouts chokes only 80% of the time, but when hes facing protoss he does that only 20% of the time" or "even without clues (such as seeing a scout), he finds his opponent within the first 2 scouts most of the time, when he would expect that to be the case 2/7 of the time". Neither of these are true. If you do find something like this, do let me know.
Human intuition, especially when dealing with probability, is subject to many cognitive biases. You must avoid the temptation to draw conclusions prematurely and approach it from a dispassionate, statistical perspective.
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I will report back Sir.
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Thanks for the report. I'll take a closer look later but based on the replays I did watch, there is a lot more work to be done if you want to establish that he's hacking. Statistically speaking, the evidence is not very strong. He scouts like that (chokes only) when hes facing Protoss as well, and some games, he doesn't find his opponent until the very last scout (e.g. https://www.starcraftworld.net/download.php?item=replay&gid=845&l=1&season=37)
Examples are never evidence of anything, because when you have such a large pool of replays, confirmation bias will always lead you to find examples of what you are trying to prove. Instead, you need to make claims backed up with numbers that would demonstrate that the chance of him doing what he's doing without hacking is statistically impossible. For example, something such as "when hes terran and facing zerg, he scouts chokes only 80% of the time, but when hes facing protoss he does that only 20% of the time" or "even without clues (such as seeing a scout), he finds his opponent within the first 2 scouts most of the time, when he would expect that to be the case 2/7 of the time". Neither of these are true. If you do find something like this, do let me know.
Human intuition, especially when dealing with probability, is subject to many cognitive biases. You must avoid the temptation to draw conclusions prematurely and approach it from a dispassionate, statistical perspective.
im master at calculating probability on Excel. You gotta look at things like R square and p-value.
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Thanks for the report. I'll take a closer look later but based on the replays I did watch, there is a lot more work to be done if you want to establish that he's hacking. Statistically speaking, the evidence is not very strong. He scouts like that (chokes only) when hes facing Protoss as well, and some games, he doesn't find his opponent until the very last scout (e.g. https://www.starcraftworld.net/download.php?item=replay&gid=845&l=1&season=37)
Examples are never evidence of anything, because when you have such a large pool of replays, confirmation bias will always lead you to find examples of what you are trying to prove. Instead, you need to make claims backed up with numbers that would demonstrate that the chance of him doing what he's doing without hacking is statistically impossible. For example, something such as "when hes terran and facing zerg, he scouts chokes only 80% of the time, but when hes facing protoss he does that only 20% of the time" or "even without clues (such as seeing a scout), he finds his opponent within the first 2 scouts most of the time, when he would expect that to be the case 2/7 of the time". Neither of these are true. If you do find something like this, do let me know.
Human intuition, especially when dealing with probability, is subject to many cognitive biases. You must avoid the temptation to draw conclusions prematurely and approach it from a dispassionate, statistical perspective.
im master at calculating probability on Excel. You gotta look at things like R square and p-value.
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Iccup.Core what do you mean? I can't understand you
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you can not say that it is hack if you have more than 100 total games per season and if it were you would have better stats xd ;D ;D
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Thanks for the report. I'll take a closer look later but based on the replays I did watch, there is a lot more work to be done if you want to establish that he's hacking. Statistically speaking, the evidence is not very strong. He scouts like that (chokes only) when hes facing Protoss as well, and some games, he doesn't find his opponent until the very last scout (e.g. https://www.starcraftworld.net/download.php?item=replay&gid=845&l=1&season=37)
Examples are never evidence of anything, because when you have such a large pool of replays, confirmation bias will always lead you to find examples of what you are trying to prove. Instead, you need to make claims backed up with numbers that would demonstrate that the chance of him doing what he's doing without hacking is statistically impossible. For example, something such as "when hes terran and facing zerg, he scouts chokes only 80% of the time, but when hes facing protoss he does that only 20% of the time" or "even without clues (such as seeing a scout), he finds his opponent within the first 2 scouts most of the time, when he would expect that to be the case 2/7 of the time". Neither of these are true. If you do find something like this, do let me know.
Human intuition, especially when dealing with probability, is subject to many cognitive biases. You must avoid the temptation to draw conclusions prematurely and approach it from a dispassionate, statistical perspective.
Well, if you want to talk probability, he only has like a 14% chance of scouting correctly, the fact that he's done it more than double that percentage for 1/3 of his games is sufficient proof. If you want to pretend like it isn't, you're basically telling everyone it's okay to hack. I watched the first minute of all his reps and I'm 100% sure he hacks, I'd bet my life on it. One can only imagine what I'd find if i watched all of them all the way through. I guarantee he would be intercepting drop ships he had no prior vision of. I haven't even watched past 1 minute and I'm sure he'll do shit like this because I've played hackers before.
Edit: In Fact even if you only had replay 1101 to go off of as evidence, it would be sufficient proof. He only scouted half a choke then went straight to me. He would have had to had prior knowledge of my race to justify scouting just a choke. Which he did, because he's map hacking. lol
I know this is just a video game but if you let injustices slip by like this here, there's no telling what biggie might think he can get away with in the real world. By condoning cheating you're actually making the world worse. Injustice perpetuates injustice. "Well, if it's okay for him to hack, I guess it's okay for me to hack." You let this go, and you have a league full of fake winners. Awesome.
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I went ahead and downloaded a sample of 4 random replays and took down how many scouts it took for him to find his opponent. It was: 6, 3, 6, 2. So the pattern you are referring to simply isn't real. Most people who are accused of hacking don't actually hack, and the rule is innocent until proven guilty, not innocent until believed guilty by one person.
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I went ahead and downloaded a sample of 4 random replays and took down how many scouts it took for him to find his opponent. It was: 6, 3, 6, 2. So the pattern you are referring to simply isn't real. Most people who are accused of hacking don't actually hack, and the rule is innocent until proven guilty, not innocent until believed guilty by one person.
Do I really have to watch all his reps and time stamp every hacking movement? You're wrong, it's that simple. Don't let your ego dictate your life.
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Replay 1040 at 9:00 He moves marines to main to intercept drop. At 10:16 he moves rines from choke to intercept drop. Just like I said earlier. HE MOVES HIS MARINES RIGHT AFTER THE DROP SHIP MOVES. I can find more examples, this was the first vs protoss game i watched past 1 minute, let's be honest here. he hacks.
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Replay 1008 @ 1:35 he deviates the scout from mambas choke as not to seem suspicious? this is one retarded hacker. Game before that 1006, walks right into mambas base.
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I went ahead and downloaded a sample of 4 random replays and took down how many scouts it took for him to find his opponent. It was: 6, 3, 6, 2. So the pattern you are referring to simply isn't real. Most people who are accused of hacking don't actually hack, and the rule is innocent until proven guilty, not innocent until believed guilty by one person.
Do I really have to watch all his reps and time stamp every hacking movement? You're wrong, it's that simple. Don't let your ego dictate your life.
I don't see how my ego has anything to do with this; there's nothing at stake for me here, and I don't even know this individual. If you think I'm going to ban someone just because one random league participant is angry about losing, you've got another thing coming. No, what you have to do is provide a real metric by which we can statistically deduce that he is hacking. I'll be the one who downloads his replays to confirm that its true, but so far everything you've said hasn't turned out accurate. For example, he usually scouts just chokes when hes T, even when his enemy ends up being protoss.
I would also recommend educating yourself on statistics, since its clear you don't appreciate the subtlety of drawing conclusions such as this based on numerical evidence.
Replay 1040 at 9:00 He moves marines to main to intercept drop. At 1:16 he moves rines from choke to intercept drop. Just like I said earlier.
The marines at the 9:30 drop didn't move at all until well after he had vision of the drop and the reaver was already down... on the second drop, he moved his marines while the protoss's shuttles were stil in transit, far away from his base, without any indication which path they would take. In a PvT game, there is nearly always a drop in transit, how is it unusual to reposition your units when you know your opponent is dropping.. if he moved them to that place after the shuttle was already heading to his main, exactly in the correct location, that would be one thing, but he moved his marines there way before the shuttle stopped at the bottom-middle base, and his reaction was so slow he didn't even snipe the 1 shuttle... :o
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Replay 1008 @ 1:35 he deviates the scout from mambas choke as not to seem suspicious? this is one retarded hacker. Game before that 1006, walks right into mambas base.
So when he does find him, hes hacking, when he doesn't find him, hes deviating.. do you not see what is happening here... :o
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As far as I know, it isn't possible to hack on SC remastered. All of these "hacking" moments are probably just a coincidence.
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Replay 1008 @ 1:35 he deviates the scout from mambas choke as not to seem suspicious? this is one retarded hacker. Game before that 1006, walks right into mambas base.
So when he does find him, hes hacking, when he doesn't find him, hes deviating.. do you not see what is happening here... :o
This is your ego, you're sticking to your guns, you can't go back on your word now. lol I can handle losing mate, why do you think i was 4-44 or w/e Because I play to get better, i don't dodge every game for fear of losing. If you can't look at evidence, there's no point in even going forward with this. What a fucking joke.
Edit: At the 9 minute mark in that replay, as soon as the shuttle begins moving at the other guys base, biggie moves his rines. I didn't say 9:30, you can't even follow specific instructions.
Edit: Biggie is holding a bloody knife, standing over dead body and you're just like, "It's all in your head dude". Okay man.
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Well, if we make a real-life analogy, in criminal defense its always the job of the jury to be skeptical of the evidence until it is irrefutable. This is necessary because the vast majority of people accused of hacking are not actually hackers - anyone who's been playing this game long enough knows this first-hand. I'm not sure what that has to do with ego or sticking to one's guns.
Edit: At the 9 minute mark in that replay, as soon as the shuttle begins moving at the other guys base, biggie moves his rines. I didn't say 9:30, you can't even follow specific instructions.
There was no 9:00 drop, I said 9:30 because that's close to when the drop actually happened.
And yea, I did take the time out of my day to look at the evidence, and I wasn't impressed. I gave you my thoughts on every example. Instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks and spouting garbage, why don't you tell me why you disagree with my analysis? How is it unusual to move your marines closer to your main when you know your opponent is dropping? But hey, if you think you can do better, you should run your own league, and even if you do manage to get it running, when you ban everyone who beats you, nobody will be left to play in it anyway.
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Well, if we make a real-life analogy, in criminal defense its always the job of the jury to be skeptical of the evidence until it is irrefutable. This is necessary because the vast majority of people accused of hacking are not actually hackers - anyone who's been playing this game long enough knows this first-hand. I'm not sure what that has to do with ego or sticking to one's guns.
Edit: At the 9 minute mark in that replay, as soon as the shuttle begins moving at the other guys base, biggie moves his rines. I didn't say 9:30, you can't even follow specific instructions.
There was no 9:00 drop, I said 9:30 because that's close to when the drop actually happened.
And yea, I did take the time out of my day to look at the evidence, and I wasn't impressed. I gave you my thoughts on every example. Instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks and spouting garbage, why don't you tell me why you disagree with my analysis? How is it unusual to move your marines closer to your main when you know your opponent is dropping? But hey, if you think you can do better, you should run your own league, and even if you do manage to get it running, when you ban everyone who beats you, nobody will be left to play in it anyway.
Yeah, sorry for getting angry, that tends to happen to me when injustices are completely ignored.
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As far as I know, it isn't possible to hack on SC remastered. All of these "hacking" moments are probably just a coincidence.
You're hilarious.
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Well, if we make a real-life analogy, in criminal defense its always the job of the jury to be skeptical of the evidence until it is irrefutable. This is necessary because the vast majority of people accused of hacking are not actually hackers - anyone who's been playing this game long enough knows this first-hand. I'm not sure what that has to do with ego or sticking to one's guns.
Edit: At the 9 minute mark in that replay, as soon as the shuttle begins moving at the other guys base, biggie moves his rines. I didn't say 9:30, you can't even follow specific instructions.
There was no 9:00 drop, I said 9:30 because that's close to when the drop actually happened.
And yea, I did take the time out of my day to look at the evidence, and I wasn't impressed. I gave you my thoughts on every example. Instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks and spouting garbage, why don't you tell me why you disagree with my analysis? How is it unusual to move your marines closer to your main when you know your opponent is dropping? But hey, if you think you can do better, you should run your own league, and even if you do manage to get it running, when you ban everyone who beats you, nobody will be left to play in it anyway.
Yeah, sorry for getting angry, that tends to happen to me when injustices are completely ignored.
OK, you win. GanGstEr]Biggie is bribing me with large sums of money to be allowed to hack in a free league for a 20-year old video game, giving me no choice other than to ignore your super-scientific evidence.
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Well, if we make a real-life analogy, in criminal defense its always the job of the jury to be skeptical of the evidence until it is irrefutable. This is necessary because the vast majority of people accused of hacking are not actually hackers - anyone who's been playing this game long enough knows this first-hand. I'm not sure what that has to do with ego or sticking to one's guns.
Edit: At the 9 minute mark in that replay, as soon as the shuttle begins moving at the other guys base, biggie moves his rines. I didn't say 9:30, you can't even follow specific instructions.
There was no 9:00 drop, I said 9:30 because that's close to when the drop actually happened.
And yea, I did take the time out of my day to look at the evidence, and I wasn't impressed. I gave you my thoughts on every example. Instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks and spouting garbage, why don't you tell me why you disagree with my analysis? How is it unusual to move your marines closer to your main when you know your opponent is dropping? But hey, if you think you can do better, you should run your own league, and even if you do manage to get it running, when you ban everyone who beats you, nobody will be left to play in it anyway.
Yeah, sorry for getting angry, that tends to happen to me when injustices are completely ignored.
OK, you win. GanGstEr]Biggie is bribing me with large sums of money to be allowed to hack in a free league for a 20-year old video game, giving me no choice other than to ignore your super-scientific evidence.
Please explain to me how he guesses with 40% accuracy within the first 2 scouts which base his opponent is in when the max he can statistically get is closer to between 21 - 28% Like I said, that's almost double the average.
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Okay OJ
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Thanks for the report. I'll take a closer look later but based on the replays I did watch, there is a lot more work to be done if you want to establish that he's hacking. Statistically speaking, the evidence is not very strong. He scouts like that (chokes only) when hes facing Protoss as well, and some games, he doesn't find his opponent until the very last scout (e.g. https://www.starcraftworld.net/download.php?item=replay&gid=845&l=1&season=37)
Examples are never evidence of anything, because when you have such a large pool of replays, confirmation bias will always lead you to find examples of what you are trying to prove. Instead, you need to make claims backed up with numbers that would demonstrate that the chance of him doing what he's doing without hacking is statistically impossible. For example, something such as "when hes terran and facing zerg, he scouts chokes only 80% of the time, but when hes facing protoss he does that only 20% of the time" or "even without clues (such as seeing a scout), he finds his opponent within the first 2 scouts most of the time, when he would expect that to be the case 2/7 of the time". Neither of these are true. If you do find something like this, do let me know.
Human intuition, especially when dealing with probability, is subject to many cognitive biases. You must avoid the temptation to draw conclusions prematurely and approach it from a dispassionate, statistical perspective.
Well, if you want to talk probability, he only has like a 14% chance of scouting correctly, the fact that he's done it more than double that percentage for 1/3 of his games is sufficient proof. If you want to pretend like it isn't, you're basically telling everyone it's okay to hack. I watched the first minute of all his reps and I'm 100% sure he hacks, I'd bet my life on it. One can only imagine what I'd find if i watched all of them all the way through. I guarantee he would be intercepting drop ships he had no prior vision of. I haven't even watched past 1 minute and I'm sure he'll do shit like this because I've played hackers before.
Edit: In Fact even if you only had replay 1101 to go off of as evidence, it would be sufficient proof. He only scouted half a choke then went straight to me. He would have had to had prior knowledge of my race to justify scouting just a choke. Which he did, because he's map hacking. lol
I know this is just a video game but if you let injustices slip by like this here, there's no telling what biggie might think he can get away with in the real world. By condoning cheating you're actually making the world worse. Injustice perpetuates injustice. "Well, if it's okay for him to hack, I guess it's okay for me to hack." You let this go, and you have a league full of fake winners. Awesome.
well, it is ok to hack actually... i just wonder if anybody would ever care about a hacker from a league of noobs that nobody knows
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Thanks for the report. I'll take a closer look later but based on the replays I did watch, there is a lot more work to be done if you want to establish that he's hacking. Statistically speaking, the evidence is not very strong. He scouts like that (chokes only) when hes facing Protoss as well, and some games, he doesn't find his opponent until the very last scout (e.g. https://www.starcraftworld.net/download.php?item=replay&gid=845&l=1&season=37)
Examples are never evidence of anything, because when you have such a large pool of replays, confirmation bias will always lead you to find examples of what you are trying to prove. Instead, you need to make claims backed up with numbers that would demonstrate that the chance of him doing what he's doing without hacking is statistically impossible. For example, something such as "when hes terran and facing zerg, he scouts chokes only 80% of the time, but when hes facing protoss he does that only 20% of the time" or "even without clues (such as seeing a scout), he finds his opponent within the first 2 scouts most of the time, when he would expect that to be the case 2/7 of the time". Neither of these are true. If you do find something like this, do let me know.
Human intuition, especially when dealing with probability, is subject to many cognitive biases. You must avoid the temptation to draw conclusions prematurely and approach it from a dispassionate, statistical perspective.
Well, if you want to talk probability, he only has like a 14% chance of scouting correctly, the fact that he's done it more than double that percentage for 1/3 of his games is sufficient proof. If you want to pretend like it isn't, you're basically telling everyone it's okay to hack. I watched the first minute of all his reps and I'm 100% sure he hacks, I'd bet my life on it. One can only imagine what I'd find if i watched all of them all the way through. I guarantee he would be intercepting drop ships he had no prior vision of. I haven't even watched past 1 minute and I'm sure he'll do shit like this because I've played hackers before.
Edit: In Fact even if you only had replay 1101 to go off of as evidence, it would be sufficient proof. He only scouted half a choke then went straight to me. He would have had to had prior knowledge of my race to justify scouting just a choke. Which he did, because he's map hacking. lol
I know this is just a video game but if you let injustices slip by like this here, there's no telling what biggie might think he can get away with in the real world. By condoning cheating you're actually making the world worse. Injustice perpetuates injustice. "Well, if it's okay for him to hack, I guess it's okay for me to hack." You let this go, and you have a league full of fake winners. Awesome.
well, it is ok to hack actually... i just wonder if anybody would ever care about a hacker from a league of noobs that nobody knows
Go die.