StarCraft World
GENERAL => General Discussion => Topic started by: RJBTV on February 04, 2018, 04:55:51 pm
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I like Starcraft and seeing it lack activity leaves a bad taste. We have a pretty dedicated core group that comes back every single season and plays a significant amount of matches. Kudos and respect to you. But having just a core group that's mostly occupied with individuals trying to out-do eachother when it comes to being an asshole isn't exactly an environment that facilitates growth. Part of the reason I rather quickly gave up injecting money into the UGL was because half of the people participating were just too much of an asshole. Why would I spent my money on people who care more about bullying and being assholes than try to help keep the game they love and play more than I do alive.
However, just like how the people running SCW haven't given up I feel I should give it another shot. Over the previous year I've had a lot of luck financially and I can afford to inject some time and money into Ideas people have that could help improve activity. Please tell me about your thoughts and/or ideas.
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I think most of the people who used to play a lot just aren't around anymore. Remasterd made some people come back for a few weeks only.. Also, the season is considerably less active than when we had Brood war, although activity was really low even then
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worthless to come back?
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You can sit here and cry about the bm all you want, but what’s helping to kill this league is people would rather pub rather than league to help increase activity. Every time I check the webbot there’s plenty people on or even when I get on people are just wanting to go bash on pubs. There’s no thrive for players to get better or play competitive.
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Yes, i have to agree with Mark....
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I think most of the people who used to play a lot just aren't around anymore. Remasterd made some people come back for a few weeks only.. Also, the season is considerably less active than when we had Brood war, although activity was really low even then
That is sad to hear. Do you think there is a way to interest old players or to bring over activity from Korea? For example, a BW league ran on Super Map along side the Original league?
worthless to come back?
Why?
You can sit here and cry about the bm all you want, but what’s helping to kill this league is people would rather pub rather than league to help increase activity. Every time I check the webbot there’s plenty people on or even when I get on people are just wanting to go bash on pubs. There’s no thrive for players to get better or play competitive.
Over excessive BM drives people apart. You can't create an environment that stimulates growth and activity if the few people in it aren't working together in one way or another to facilitate it. People are less likely to stick around or come back if their memory of the individuals is a negative one. And considering a league like this deals with a lot of individual interaction I find over excessive bm to be a negative factor. If you play someone less good than you and all you do is verbally abuse that person because of his/her inferiority in skill you scare them away. If you are a welcoming community that reaches out to help said individual grow and have a good time you create an incentive for the individual to stay. You have to invest in the players of the future, not chase them away. A lot of these pub players aren't negatively confronted with their ability when they play pubs because the assholes aren't there to verbally abuse them to the degree people in leagues do.
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I don’t go out of my way to bm people I don’t know, the only time I bm is when people dodge, critique my play when they couldn’t do better, or just sit in channel and pub. You in general, I had nothing against you at first. I started to dislike you when you always act like you knew everything about this game. whenever you would lose a game you blamed your part or had an excuse. Then you would obs me, to critique my game even though you have never been better than me (not bmin). I hardly have time to ever play because I have a son now and for you to talk about my life because I talk shit for fun on a game makes you a pussy. So whenever I get on I just wanna play and a lot of people dodge me even though people are always saying I suck or get carried. Lol
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I don’t go out of my way to bm people I don’t know, the only time I bm is when people dodge, critique my play when they couldn’t do better, or just sit in channel and pub. You in general, I had nothing against you at first. I started to dislike you when you always act like you knew everything about this game. whenever you would lose a game you blamed your part or had an excuse. Then you would obs me, to critique my game even though you have never been better than me (not bmin). I hardly have time to ever play because I have a son now and for you to talk about my life because I talk shit for fun on a game makes you a pussy. So whenever I get on I just wanna play and a lot of people dodge me even though people are always saying I suck or get carried. Lol
If that is how you interpret my past actions then I should have chosen my words more carefully to convey what I intended more accurately. I have already talked to the people who were my parts to clear up confusions. I never intended to "blame" them for a loss or to find an excuse. I tried to identify what I thought to be a mistake that could in the future be prevented by acknowledging it and sharing it with my partner. I share my own mistakes with my parts frequently and ask for advice too. If people take offense to that it is either because of their prior biases tainting their perception or my inability to share the information in a manner that prevents the potential for a misunderstanding. And considering most interactions on this game are bm, people are more likely to interpret something intended as criticism as bm because most of the time it is. They expect it to be bm. And no, I don't intend to act like I know everything. Either I misrepresented myself or you misinterpreted because of conditioned biases.
In (E-)sports you have coaches and analysts, individuals who are rarely better at the activity they coach than the people whom they coach in said activity. You are fully aware the value a coach or analyst has to an athlete or a team in the process of improvement and victory. I don't have to be better than you to critique you. If you find my critique to be wrong don't take offense, instead tell me I am wrong and why I am wrong. If anything, koreans have proven we're not nearly as good as we like ourselves to be.
Also, you talk shit and it's cool but I talk shit and it makes me a pussy? That's quite the double standard you apply "oh so" conveniently. You started bming me. I responded. Yes, I may have jumped to some conclusions I maybe should not have. You know the truth about your life and I don't. I'll refrain from making comments about your life. And Lastly, my comment was not about you, so don't make it about you. It was my opinion on something I observed in the community. THIS reply was about you. So unless something is specifically about you stick to the subject matter presented.
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these types of threads have been made thousands of time. And they always, ALWAYS end in exactly the same way. this one, i see, is no different.
the people who play league are not interested in expanding the league. they are perfectly fine trashing on each other and having fun with it. it will stay this way now.
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I don't think bm is killing the league it's just like Mark said no one cares about getting good at fastest and people would rather just play silly pub matches for fun. Don't give up on trying to get people to play though. There are lots of people starting to play again or for the first time. Sorry Cole but the league can never be made og again no matter how badly me and you want it to be. The average pubs wants bw and the league will not gain enough new players if we stay og. Although I don't understand why people like bw fastest it's really lame and mind control should be BanneD ffs. Again I think we shouldn't just give up. Because alot of times people come to op ugl can't find a game and leave the more people who just be patient in finding games will realize they will come eventually. I'm always able to get 400 games a season. But everyone complains there's no games? Try some patience and don't just leave when you see no one on people will start logging on after awhile just stay there for more than 5 seconds for God's sake.
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Also people should not dodge so damn much. Who really cares if you lose you're probably not a pro player anyway so why not take some Ls and learn a thing or two.
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Also people should not dodge so damn much. Who really cares if you lose you're probably not a pro player anyway so why not take some Ls and learn a thing or two.
I will always agree with this. If you win you win, and if you lose you lose. Can’t win them all. Hate when people take the easy way out to get a win.
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I stand corrected.
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so when does season 4 start? can we get an option to play original?
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I don't think bm is killing the league it's just like Mark said no one cares about getting good at fastest and people would rather just play silly pub matches for fun. Don't give up on trying to get people to play though. There are lots of people starting to play again or for the first time. Sorry Cole but the league can never be made og again no matter how badly me and you want it to be. The average pubs wants bw and the league will not gain enough new players if we stay og. Although I don't understand why people like bw fastest it's really lame and mind control should be BanneD ffs. Again I think we shouldn't just give up. Because alot of times people come to op ugl can't find a game and leave the more people who just be patient in finding games will realize they will come eventually. I'm always able to get 400 games a season. But everyone complains there's no games? Try some patience and don't just leave when you see no one on people will start logging on after awhile just stay there for more than 5 seconds for God's sake.
I find this accurate. I feel like one thing killing this league is just the inactivity in the league. Although i dont go on as much, i feel 90% of the time i go on the channel is pretty empty, i think my timezone is a factor as well. But its really tough to get encouraged to stay and wait for people to play because you have no idea how long it will take to find an opponent.
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the league is very boring actually, it should be BW or use ather map
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the league is very boring actually, it should be BW or use ather map
You haven’t played 1 game so how do you know it’s boring? Lol
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I agree with what Mark said and Cole has been saying this forever, no one wants to be better or be the best anymore. The top players have stayed the same for years because no one is pushing or trying to be better. Like Mark said, everyone is just happy pubbing and winning easy games and not trying to better themselves. If you look at the standings it's basically the same people in top 5 every season for the past 15 seasons. I don't think this is blaming dodgers solely, it's the fact that the game is old and there isn't many new comers to the game. So it's hard to reach new people and get them motivated to be better at a game so old. A lot of players are just happy with playing pub games and that's fine. But an argument can be made that people play pub games because they would rather win instead of improve and that's their prerogative. Which is definitely a factor in why this game is dying and that's probably not going to change, unfortunate as that is.
I personally don't play as much as I used to, but I still enjoy to get on and play every now and then and it is very hard to find league games. I generally have to go and play pub games, because I can't get a league game. As much as I hate BW, maybe it is better for the league to be a BW league. But we all then have to live with the fact that Brain will win every season going forward and no one stands a chance. So I'd save your money Jacek! Or this is basically Brain's personal go fund me league lol.
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I agree with what Mark said and Cole has been saying this forever, no one wants to be better or be the best anymore. The top players have stayed the same for years because no one is pushing or trying to be better. Like Mark said, everyone is just happy pubbing and winning easy games and not trying to better themselves. If you look at the standings it's basically the same people in top 5 every season for the past 15 seasons. I don't think this is blaming dodgers solely, it's the fact that the game is old and there isn't many new comers to the game. So it's hard to reach new people and get them motivated to be better at a game so old. A lot of players are just happy with playing pub games and that's fine. But an argument can be made that people play pub games because they would rather win instead of improve and that's their prerogative. Which is definitely a factor in why this game is dying and that's probably not going to change, unfortunate as that is.
I personally don't play as much as I used to, but I still enjoy to get on and play every now and then and it is very hard to find league games. I generally have to go and play pub games, because I can't get a league game. As much as I hate BW, maybe it is better for the league to be a BW league. But we all then have to live with the fact that Brain will win every season going forward and no one stands a chance. So I'd save your money Jacek! Or this is basically Brain's personal go fund me league lol.
Korean activity and skill could potentially be a driving factor for western improvement and activity. And if it doesn't stimulate western activity it could at least motivate more Koreans to come over. We would need help from Brain, Tokki and other koreans to spread the word. For as far as I know there is no korean league for Super map and providing them with a platform could be a game changer.
Also, a lot of these pubbers have the base skill to compete at the lower levels of SCW and could over time compete at the middle level. The question is how do we market the league to these people in order to draw them in. We have identified multiple problems and I think it is our job to trouble shoot.
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One factor that no1 mentioned is that were all getting alot older. Comn were not 15 anymore. ppl got obligations and companys to run, not to mention family...
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One factor that no1 mentioned is that were all getting alot older. Comn were not 15 anymore. ppl got obligations and companys to run, not to mention family...
That's the biggest factor without a doubt. But don't forget that gaming is now the most popular past-time activity world-wide. How can we interest people who now have all kinds of obligations to spend some of their free time on playing starcraft? To be honest I am starting to feel like Blizzard is in part to blame for running a poor marketing strategy over the years.
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Or the activity is good, if u consider sc2. But we, whos still on bw dont like it. So if you c it from their point of view, its our fault... we all should actually start playing sc2 then we wouldt have this problem...
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Or the activity is good, if u consider sc2. But we, whos still on bw dont like it. So if you c it from their point of view, its our fault... we all should actually start playing sc2 then we wouldt have this problem...
SC2 activity has decreased over the past year and a half. Event views are dropping, streamer views are dropping, PVP activity on the ladders is decreasing as more people elect to play vs AI over people. The Starcraft subreddit isn't nearly as active as it used to be. They have however been included into the Olympics afaik.
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I don't think there's any crazy science behind it.
This game is old. 20 years old to be exact. VGT had crazy activity because it was alive and thriving before the release of SC2.
There was a pretty significant hit in the years that followed after sc2. Granted, alot of the core players stuck around, but its definitely been on a decline ever since. SC2 was released eight years ago. That puts probably most of us in our mid/late 20s or beyond. Between the dozens of modern games that exist and people just straight up not having as much time anymore due to families and jobs, it's impressive there's as many people as there are still playing this game.
West at best case, has like 800 players. That's including people playing ums and ladder. Usually that number floats around 400-500. Not dead, but not exactly what it was sitting at 10 years ago.
Perhaps there are some ways to increase activity to a degree, but I wouldn't be holding my breath on the expectation of it ever returning to its former glory. SC:R was a great thing to happen to those of us who are life-long die hard SC1 players, but it's not enough to bring back the population numbers this game was hitting a decade ago.
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I agree with what Mark said and Cole has been saying this forever, no one wants to be better or be the best anymore. The top players have stayed the same for years because no one is pushing or trying to be better. Like Mark said, everyone is just happy pubbing and winning easy games and not trying to better themselves. If you look at the standings it's basically the same people in top 5 every season for the past 15 seasons. I don't think this is blaming dodgers solely, it's the fact that the game is old and there isn't many new comers to the game. So it's hard to reach new people and get them motivated to be better at a game so old. A lot of players are just happy with playing pub games and that's fine. But an argument can be made that people play pub games because they would rather win instead of improve and that's their prerogative. Which is definitely a factor in why this game is dying and that's probably not going to change, unfortunate as that is.
I personally don't play as much as I used to, but I still enjoy to get on and play every now and then and it is very hard to find league games. I generally have to go and play pub games, because I can't get a league game. As much as I hate BW, maybe it is better for the league to be a BW league. But we all then have to live with the fact that Brain will win every season going forward and no one stands a chance. So I'd save your money Jacek! Or this is basically Brain's personal go fund me league lol.
Korean activity and skill could potentially be a driving factor for western improvement and activity. And if it doesn't stimulate western activity it could at least motivate more Koreans to come over. We would need help from Brain, Tokki and other koreans to spread the word. For as far as I know there is no korean league for Super map and providing them with a platform could be a game changer.
Also, a lot of these pubbers have the base skill to compete at the lower levels of SCW and could over time compete at the middle level. The question is how do we market the league to these people in order to draw them in. We have identified multiple problems and I think it is our job to trouble shoot.
Not to mention Korean servers have about 4x the population of any of the US servers at any given time. They simply have the numbers, and a lot of them actually like fastest style maps. DoeJuly usually streams to like 3000~ or so people, and always fastest. They could hype a league faster than anyone here ever could.
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Those who are active need to tell the pubs about the league or someone could make a bot host a game advertising the league 24/7
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I think the problem with Koreans is regional latency. Nothing pisses off pro gamers like high lat does
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Yea... the lat is hortible, haha....
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Those who are active need to tell the pubs about the league or someone could make a bot host a game advertising the league 24/7
This is a good start. Also spreading the word to people might also help.
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Those who are active need to tell the pubs about the league or someone could make a bot host a game advertising the league 24/7
This is a good start. Also spreading the word to people might also help.
This would require people to 'pub'
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Lol People do know about the league , Most of them dont care. They just play for fun. They dont care to get better.
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Damntwizzlers mex[metal] Elivan[vck] etc etc they are always in channel ugl but they never play in the league.
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Those who are active need to tell the pubs about the league or someone could make a bot host a game advertising the league 24/7
This is a good start. Also spreading the word to people might also help.
This would require people to 'pub'
I do pub from time to time and I always tell people about scw. Some of them have stayed til this day
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Those who are active need to tell the pubs about the league or someone could make a bot host a game advertising the league 24/7
This is a good start. Also spreading the word to people might also help.
This would require people to 'pub'
As it was writting in in the bible of the starcraft:
"19 Go, therefore, and make competitors of players of all the pub games, baptizing them in the name of the Lord Live.Sword and of the Son and of the holy SCW League, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the season of SCW.”
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Premier.... did som1 tell u that ur really fucking weird? hahaha.
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Premier.... did som1 tell u that ur really fucking weird? hahaha.
A couple times.
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What's up everyone!
So I haven't played this game on a competitive level in like 8 years, and back when I did play, orig was the go to spot, but BW was just starting to be recognized as the real deal because of the fact you have more options and more strategies. (I came from bw to play orig competitively.) The problem I think with league activity is the fact that its on orig. No matter how you look at it, orig is a watered down and unbalanced version of the game. That's the whole reason that BW was even brought onto the market, and fine tuned. The big deal is that the current fanbase of starcraft is pretty much 99% BW (pubs/ums). All of the pro gamers or Koreans will only play on BW. Hell, I would even come back to play a bw league (played maybe 20~ games last season bw).
Also, some of these top players just haven't matured the way you should. The game is meant to be for fun, and I enjoy talking shit too. But it's just like in the work place or real life, if your boss is a douchebag and talks about all of his successes and smacks you down at every turn, why would you ever try to better yourself? People need to stop acting like such bad asses, take your wins/losses and move along.
Just my 2 cents!
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What's up everyone!
So I haven't played this game on a competitive level in like 8 years, and back when I did play, orig was the go to spot, but BW was just starting to be recognized as the real deal because of the fact you have more options and more strategies. (I came from bw to play orig competitively.) The problem I think with league activity is the fact that its on orig. No matter how you look at it, orig is a watered down and unbalanced version of the game. That's the whole reason that BW was even brought onto the market, and fine tuned. The big deal is that the current fanbase of starcraft is pretty much 99% BW (pubs/ums). All of the pro gamers or Koreans will only play on BW. Hell, I would even come back to play a bw league (played maybe 20~ games last season bw).
Also, some of these top players just haven't matured the way you should. The game is meant to be for fun, and I enjoy talking shit too. But it's just like in the work place or real life, if your boss is a douchebag and talks about all of his successes and smacks you down at every turn, why would you ever try to better yourself? People need to stop acting like such bad asses, take your wins/losses and move along.
Just my 2 cents!
ironically, this season is orig because it was viewed as a way to increase activity over BW, as many people on the forums were wishing for orig. pretty funny that being BW is now being considered as a way to increase activity on orig . the endless cycle lol
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What's up everyone!
So I haven't played this game on a competitive level in like 8 years, and back when I did play, orig was the go to spot, but BW was just starting to be recognized as the real deal because of the fact you have more options and more strategies. (I came from bw to play orig competitively.) The problem I think with league activity is the fact that its on orig. No matter how you look at it, orig is a watered down and unbalanced version of the game. That's the whole reason that BW was even brought onto the market, and fine tuned. The big deal is that the current fanbase of starcraft is pretty much 99% BW (pubs/ums). All of the pro gamers or Koreans will only play on BW. Hell, I would even come back to play a bw league (played maybe 20~ games last season bw).
Also, some of these top players just haven't matured the way you should. The game is meant to be for fun, and I enjoy talking shit too. But it's just like in the work place or real life, if your boss is a douchebag and talks about all of his successes and smacks you down at every turn, why would you ever try to better yourself? People need to stop acting like such bad asses, take your wins/losses and move along.
Just my 2 cents!
ironically, this season is orig because it was viewed as a way to increase activity over BW, as many people on the forums were wishing for orig. pretty funny that being BW is now being considered as a way to increase activity on orig . the endless cycle lol
I agree lol, vicious cycle
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I also agree that league should try to go bw because then we can tell ppl about it. when u look at game menu on og theres no games lol. bw also add more units and strategy to the game. also when we play games don't make them private make them like "1v1 UGL LEAGUE" and let ppl obs to get the name out there
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lol the obs would lag and ruin the match.
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You're wrong. Why do you like to see people kill themselfs? You do have a sick mind. Go get some help Seriously.. You run over a girl with a car thats pretty sad . dumb newfie
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You're wrong. Why do you like to see people kill themselfs? You do have a sick mind. Go get some help Seriously.. You run over a girl with a car thats pretty sad . dumb newfie
woah woah woah, newfie? serious? man that sucks. giving a bad reputation to the rest of us maritime folk.
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Lol its funny how much of a coward you are, You only play protoss and beat up women. You're a joke sith. Still living with Mommy and Daddy i bet.
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El]tor where do you live in Newfoundland? I probably know you.
no, the maritimes refers to more then 1 province, but i'd never tell you which one lol
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Stick to the topic or take your fight to PM
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Matt, ur pretty fucking pathetic Tbh. If that was my sister/child id actually kill you. Without any hesitation faggot
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I noticed some new people in "Op Ugl" today and a game called "/join op ugl". There are some decent pub gamers spread out over the regions and so far it seems to somewhat be working.
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I noticed some new people in "Op Ugl" today and a game called "/join op ugl". There are some decent pub gamers spread out over the regions and so far it seems to somewhat be working.
i want to play! 2v2 next season! woohoo!
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Hey guys. Another way to probably get this shit more active is to have some games up on youtube. I mean shit, we haven't seen consistent games going up on youtube for a while now! Hell, thats how i got back into SC after all these years. Watching youtube videos, i saw mos flo's videos and thought maybe it might still be happening, and it was! If i can help with this procedure PLEASE l et me know how! i would gladly help with it!! Casting videos would be pretty cool! Also, Having the videos as part of this site might be pretty cool too . maybe have another nav called"Castings" or "This season" or something . i don't know. just some random ass thoughts xP
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we need to promote promote promote ! market this as much as u can. what can brain do for us? he hasn't said too much , yet he holds a lot of value to this subject . i'd be interested in hearing from him ideas on how to improve activity.
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1v1 champion back 2 back seasons with a massive following on social media . heeelllllooooooooo
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I'm sorry Torpedo, these people dont care about any1 else execpt for their little group of the same people that play in the league over and over. They talk so much about getting it more active but they just BM pubs so much to keep them away.
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Hey guys. Another way to probably get this shit more active is to have some games up on youtube. I mean shit, we haven't seen consistent games going up on youtube for a while now! Hell, thats how i got back into SC after all these years. Watching youtube videos, i saw mos flo's videos and thought maybe it might still be happening, and it was! If i can help with this procedure PLEASE l et me know how! i would gladly help with it!! Casting videos would be pretty cool! Also, Having the videos as part of this site might be pretty cool too . maybe have another nav called"Castings" or "This season" or something . i don't know. just some random ass thoughts xP
I have a Youtube channel where I upload some games.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7em3yEoRKZHtvgoMlFEISA
Didn't know they was an actual interest in this though so, knowing this I could upload much more. Playing a bunch of games every weeks and recording them all (streaming on twitch.tv/ZikQc)
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Hey guys. Another way to probably get this shit more active is to have some games up on youtube. I mean shit, we haven't seen consistent games going up on youtube for a while now! Hell, thats how i got back into SC after all these years. Watching youtube videos, i saw mos flo's videos and thought maybe it might still be happening, and it was! If i can help with this procedure PLEASE l et me know how! i would gladly help with it!! Casting videos would be pretty cool! Also, Having the videos as part of this site might be pretty cool too . maybe have another nav called"Castings" or "This season" or something . i don't know. just some random ass thoughts xP
I have a Youtube channel where I upload some games.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7em3yEoRKZHtvgoMlFEISA
Didn't know they was an actual interest in this though so, knowing this I could upload much more. Playing a bunch of games every weeks and recording them all (streaming on twitch.tv/ZikQc)
if its league games yea. not random pub games unless you're heavily advertising the league / channel
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Hey guys. Another way to probably get this shit more active is to have some games up on youtube. I mean shit, we haven't seen consistent games going up on youtube for a while now! Hell, thats how i got back into SC after all these years. Watching youtube videos, i saw mos flo's videos and thought maybe it might still be happening, and it was! If i can help with this procedure PLEASE l et me know how! i would gladly help with it!! Casting videos would be pretty cool! Also, Having the videos as part of this site might be pretty cool too . maybe have another nav called"Castings" or "This season" or something . i don't know. just some random ass thoughts xP
I have a Youtube channel where I upload some games.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7em3yEoRKZHtvgoMlFEISA
Didn't know they was an actual interest in this though so, knowing this I could upload much more. Playing a bunch of games every weeks and recording them all (streaming on twitch.tv/ZikQc)
if its league games yea. not random pub games unless you're heavily advertising the league / channel
Pub games against League players during the Off-season would be good.
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Hey guys. Another way to probably get this shit more active is to have some games up on youtube. I mean shit, we haven't seen consistent games going up on youtube for a while now! Hell, thats how i got back into SC after all these years. Watching youtube videos, i saw mos flo's videos and thought maybe it might still be happening, and it was! If i can help with this procedure PLEASE l et me know how! i would gladly help with it!! Casting videos would be pretty cool! Also, Having the videos as part of this site might be pretty cool too . maybe have another nav called"Castings" or "This season" or something . i don't know. just some random ass thoughts xP
I have a Youtube channel where I upload some games.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7em3yEoRKZHtvgoMlFEISA
Didn't know they was an actual interest in this though so, knowing this I could upload much more. Playing a bunch of games every weeks and recording them all (streaming on twitch.tv/ZikQc)
That’s cool and all, but doesn’t help when you don’t play in the league. Your channel doesn’t help activity with the league if you don’t even participate in it.
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I dont think this league will ever be as active as SCD/VGT times; people are busy, many hackers, BM everywhere, old game and lack of activity deters people from sticking to the league.
One thing i think would help is if we shorten each season a bit. This would make each league games more valuable and force people to play as there would be a limited amount of time to finish the league. If you think about it, if 5 Top inactive players come back, that would forsure increase activity on all levels. People get turn off it they only see a few top level players, but if there were 10 Top level players, this would make the league more interesting.
Since people usually get excited when league starts but dont always play for the entire duration of the league, don't you think 3 weeks of more valuable games would be better then 6 weeks of spread out games?
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I dont think this league will ever be as active as SCD/VGT times; people are busy, many hackers, BM everywhere, old game and lack of activity deters people from sticking to the league.
One thing i think would help is if we shorten each season a bit. This would make each league games more valuable and force people to play as there would be a limited amount of time to finish the league. If you think about it, if 5 Top inactive players come back, that would forsure increase activity on all levels. People get turn off it they only see a few top level players, but if there were 10 Top level players, this would make the league more interesting.
Since people usually get excited when league starts but dont always play for the entire duration of the league, don't you think 3 weeks of more valuable games would be better then 6 weeks of spread out games?
what about 4?
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I think the potential to create more activity is there but it's a matter of figuring out how to get the noobs to transfer to the league. That seems to be the biggest problem. What eye candy could we offer that is tempting enough to join our community is a big question. I think a very effective way would be for everyone to find a noob and help him improve even if hes the worlds most dumbest, clueless person at the game. That way you can friend him, tell him to come to op ugl and talk about strategy or just chill. and if you still feeling motivated, pick up another noob after you done helping the first one.
BM believe it or not does play a role. Like someobody said, you will unconsciously avoid negative/rude people in real life, i would imagine the same rules apply in-game especially since it's much easier to ignore people in-game.
Another one is the fact that you guys are playing orig instead of BW. This one is rough on the players who are actively supporting the site but it's a sacrifice people will have to consider for activity. Nobody but you guys are playing Orig. Thats the raw truth. I really don't believe new blood will come over to this league to play original.
Thats all i can think of atm. Ive been afk'ing with game name "/Join Op UGL". Somebody else has been too idk who that is. Not sure if that will help any but it doesn't hurt to try.
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Hey guys. Another way to probably get this shit more active is to have some games up on youtube. I mean shit, we haven't seen consistent games going up on youtube for a while now! Hell, thats how i got back into SC after all these years. Watching youtube videos, i saw mos flo's videos and thought maybe it might still be happening, and it was! If i can help with this procedure PLEASE l et me know how! i would gladly help with it!! Casting videos would be pretty cool! Also, Having the videos as part of this site might be pretty cool too . maybe have another nav called"Castings" or "This season" or something . i don't know. just some random ass thoughts xP
I have a Youtube channel where I upload some games.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7em3yEoRKZHtvgoMlFEISA
Didn't know they was an actual interest in this though so, knowing this I could upload much more. Playing a bunch of games every weeks and recording them all (streaming on twitch.tv/ZikQc)
That’s cool and all, but doesn’t help when you don’t play in the league. Your channel doesn’t help activity with the league if you don’t even participate in it.
Oh I wasn't implying it was helping with the league activity at the moment, just replying to the guy that said some vods on youtube would be great. I'll gladly try to upload more inny / league game in the future, though. I can also cast some games using replays or obs'ing games, if any people would want that. Will the next season be back on BW? We need to stop splitting the player base, that's for sure.
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Hey guys. Another way to probably get this shit more active is to have some games up on youtube. I mean shit, we haven't seen consistent games going up on youtube for a while now! Hell, thats how i got back into SC after all these years. Watching youtube videos, i saw mos flo's videos and thought maybe it might still be happening, and it was! If i can help with this procedure PLEASE l et me know how! i would gladly help with it!! Casting videos would be pretty cool! Also, Having the videos as part of this site might be pretty cool too . maybe have another nav called"Castings" or "This season" or something . i don't know. just some random ass thoughts xP
I have a Youtube channel where I upload some games.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7em3yEoRKZHtvgoMlFEISA
Didn't know they was an actual interest in this though so, knowing this I could upload much more. Playing a bunch of games every weeks and recording them all (streaming on twitch.tv/ZikQc)
That’s cool and all, but doesn’t help when you don’t play in the league. Your channel doesn’t help activity with the league if you don’t even participate in it.
Oh I wasn't implying it was helping with the league activity at the moment, just replying to the guy that said some vods on youtube would be great. I'll gladly try to upload more inny / league game in the future, though. I can also cast some games using replays or obs'ing games, if any people would want that. Will the next season be back on BW? We need to stop splitting the player base, that's for sure.
that was me. sorry for the confusion. I assumed since this is the league website that you would be talking about the league, on a thread that is meant for ideas to make the league more active :P
eye candy? MONEY. There is already a prize pool. Thing is it takes a lot of hard work and TIME to get really good at this game. I play a lot and would not touch half of you guys, a lot of people don't have the time to get that good. but i don't believe it's a lost cause, it doesn't matter if a video game was made in the 90s or 2018, if it is as good as this one it will have many players. The biggest thing this channel has going for it is that it's the only channel where good players hang out (other than a few channels of clans with limited population) So just keep telling everyone you see who is decent to come hang and get some good games in
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Hey guys. Another way to probably get this shit more active is to have some games up on youtube. I mean shit, we haven't seen consistent games going up on youtube for a while now! Hell, thats how i got back into SC after all these years. Watching youtube videos, i saw mos flo's videos and thought maybe it might still be happening, and it was! If i can help with this procedure PLEASE l et me know how! i would gladly help with it!! Casting videos would be pretty cool! Also, Having the videos as part of this site might be pretty cool too . maybe have another nav called"Castings" or "This season" or something . i don't know. just some random ass thoughts xP
I have a Youtube channel where I upload some games.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7em3yEoRKZHtvgoMlFEISA
Didn't know they was an actual interest in this though so, knowing this I could upload much more. Playing a bunch of games every weeks and recording them all (streaming on twitch.tv/ZikQc)
That’s cool and all, but doesn’t help when you don’t play in the league. Your channel doesn’t help activity with the league if you don’t even participate in it.
Oh I wasn't implying it was helping with the league activity at the moment, just replying to the guy that said some vods on youtube would be great. I'll gladly try to upload more inny / league game in the future, though. I can also cast some games using replays or obs'ing games, if any people would want that. Will the next season be back on BW? We need to stop splitting the player base, that's for sure.
that was me. sorry for the confusion. I assumed since this is the league website that you would be talking about the league, on a thread that is meant for ideas to make the league more active :P
eye candy? MONEY. There is already a prize pool. Thing is it takes a lot of hard work and TIME to get really good at this game. I play a lot and would not touch half of you guys, a lot of people don't have the time to get that good. but i don't believe it's a lost cause, it doesn't matter if a video game was made in the 90s or 2018, if it is as good as this one it will have many players. The biggest thing this channel has going for it is that it's the only channel where good players hang out (other than a few channels of clans with limited population) So just keep telling everyone you see who is decent to come hang and get some good games in
You make it seem like people are earning thousands of dollars to win. Most people like you said can't compete with the top. New blood know they aren't going to compete with the top 10 so money cannot be the eye candy. That mostly benefits the players who have been playing for a while now. Noobs are probably more interested in someone trying to help them be good than a money pool that they know isn't within arms reach.
To create activity you gotta start from scratch, from the floor up. That means helping the newbs that are in channel starcraft USA-1 or the randoms in public games. There is no other way. The good players are either teamliquid.net and mostly play ranked//low money or already know the fastest channels and site but quit or are inactive. There aren't anymore decent players to bring in
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Hey guys. Another way to probably get this shit more active is to have some games up on youtube. I mean shit, we haven't seen consistent games going up on youtube for a while now! Hell, thats how i got back into SC after all these years. Watching youtube videos, i saw mos flo's videos and thought maybe it might still be happening, and it was! If i can help with this procedure PLEASE l et me know how! i would gladly help with it!! Casting videos would be pretty cool! Also, Having the videos as part of this site might be pretty cool too . maybe have another nav called"Castings" or "This season" or something . i don't know. just some random ass thoughts xP
I have a Youtube channel where I upload some games.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7em3yEoRKZHtvgoMlFEISA
Didn't know they was an actual interest in this though so, knowing this I could upload much more. Playing a bunch of games every weeks and recording them all (streaming on twitch.tv/ZikQc)
That’s cool and all, but doesn’t help when you don’t play in the league. Your channel doesn’t help activity with the league if you don’t even participate in it.
Oh I wasn't implying it was helping with the league activity at the moment, just replying to the guy that said some vods on youtube would be great. I'll gladly try to upload more inny / league game in the future, though. I can also cast some games using replays or obs'ing games, if any people would want that. Will the next season be back on BW? We need to stop splitting the player base, that's for sure.
that was me. sorry for the confusion. I assumed since this is the league website that you would be talking about the league, on a thread that is meant for ideas to make the league more active :P
eye candy? MONEY. There is already a prize pool. Thing is it takes a lot of hard work and TIME to get really good at this game. I play a lot and would not touch half of you guys, a lot of people don't have the time to get that good. but i don't believe it's a lost cause, it doesn't matter if a video game was made in the 90s or 2018, if it is as good as this one it will have many players. The biggest thing this channel has going for it is that it's the only channel where good players hang out (other than a few channels of clans with limited population) So just keep telling everyone you see who is decent to come hang and get some good games in
You make it seem like people are earning thousands of dollars to win. Most people like you said can't compete with the top. New blood know they aren't going to compete with the top 10 so money cannot be the eye candy. That mostly benefits the players who have been playing for a while now. Noobs are probably more interested in someone trying to help them be good than a money pool that they know isn't within arms reach.
To create activity you gotta start from scratch, from the floor up. That means helping the newbs that are in channel starcraft USA-1 or the randoms in public games. There is no other way. The good players are either teamliquid.net and mostly play ranked//low money or already know the fastest channels and site but quit or are inactive. There aren't anymore decent players to bring in
wut? definitely not my intentions man. my bad! what i am saying is,if free money for playing a video game is not enough eye candy, then what is? :P
i completely agree with your concept man. makes total sense. and often at times you will find its not only noobs you have to teach from square 1. there are many over average "pubs" who are actually really good! you just introduce them to some strats and there we go! It is my belief that this whole thing is a COMMUNITY EFFORT and cannot be done with just a few people folks :] so please, lend a hand when you can :)
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Guys, from someone who was lucky enough to have a really good SC player train them under their wing as a friend, there is nothing cooler than when an exceptional player takes you under their wing and teaches you everything they know. It is a really cool feeling. It is like an NFL player taking a NCAA player under their wing and teaching them everything they know so that they can be successful. It forms a very good relationship as well. As long as the student is willing to learn, it is a super cool experience. Whether you know it or not, and whether you think its sad or not, a lot of people look up to the top gamers here, including myself. I think they should set a great example. Some have, some have not. But I believe it's the right thing to do. Whenever you have a moment, please, pass on your knowledge.
I am not saying this is the key to activity, it's just an insightful idea, I think.
and guys, to the ones who want to coach, it is such a successful feeling, and it makes you so much better! teaching other people what you know only enhances what you know and you almost reteach yourself by doing so.
and by the way, please everyone listen to Matt Mays. He is a great musician and a fantastic person :D
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Guys, from someone who was lucky enough to have a really good SC player train them under their wing as a friend, there is nothing cooler than when an exceptional player takes you under their wing and teaches you everything they know. It is a really cool feeling. It is like an NFL player taking a NCAA player under their wing and teaching them everything they know so that they can be successful. It forms a very good relationship as well. As long as the student is willing to learn, it is a super cool experience. Whether you know it or not, and whether you think its sad or not, a lot of people look up to the top gamers here, including myself. I think they should set a great example. Some have, some have not. But I believe it's the right thing to do. Whenever you have a moment, please, pass on your knowledge.
I am not saying this is the key to activity, it's just an insightful idea, I think.
and guys, to the ones who want to coach, it is such a successful feeling, and it makes you so much better! teaching other people what you know only enhances what you know and you almost reteach yourself by doing so.
and by the way, please everyone listen to Matt Mays. He is a great musician and a fantastic person :D
I support that notion about having a mentor. Back when I had maybe around 100 games played a guy named KiLLeR_ on the Europe server bothered to teach me the basic 1vs1 builds and a 2vs2 protoss build. I still use his builds to this day, including building placements. He later turned out to be a good 1vs1 player under the name Madara and that fact got me into the competitive side of gaming.
An idea could be to host a public game with "Teaching FMP @ Op Ugl" or something similar and have some people who are willing to teach basic builds and concepts in the channel.
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Hey guys. Another way to probably get this shit more active is to have some games up on youtube. I mean shit, we haven't seen consistent games going up on youtube for a while now! Hell, thats how i got back into SC after all these years. Watching youtube videos, i saw mos flo's videos and thought maybe it might still be happening, and it was! If i can help with this procedure PLEASE l et me know how! i would gladly help with it!! Casting videos would be pretty cool! Also, Having the videos as part of this site might be pretty cool too . maybe have another nav called"Castings" or "This season" or something . i don't know. just some random ass thoughts xP
I have a Youtube channel where I upload some games.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7em3yEoRKZHtvgoMlFEISA
Didn't know they was an actual interest in this though so, knowing this I could upload much more. Playing a bunch of games every weeks and recording them all (streaming on twitch.tv/ZikQc)
That’s cool and all, but doesn’t help when you don’t play in the league. Your channel doesn’t help activity with the league if you don’t even participate in it.
Oh I wasn't implying it was helping with the league activity at the moment, just replying to the guy that said some vods on youtube would be great. I'll gladly try to upload more inny / league game in the future, though. I can also cast some games using replays or obs'ing games, if any people would want that. Will the next season be back on BW? We need to stop splitting the player base, that's for sure.
that was me. sorry for the confusion. I assumed since this is the league website that you would be talking about the league, on a thread that is meant for ideas to make the league more active :P
eye candy? MONEY. There is already a prize pool. Thing is it takes a lot of hard work and TIME to get really good at this game. I play a lot and would not touch half of you guys, a lot of people don't have the time to get that good. but i don't believe it's a lost cause, it doesn't matter if a video game was made in the 90s or 2018, if it is as good as this one it will have many players. The biggest thing this channel has going for it is that it's the only channel where good players hang out (other than a few channels of clans with limited population) So just keep telling everyone you see who is decent to come hang and get some good games in
You make it seem like people are earning thousands of dollars to win. Most people like you said can't compete with the top. New blood know they aren't going to compete with the top 10 so money cannot be the eye candy. That mostly benefits the players who have been playing for a while now. Noobs are probably more interested in someone trying to help them be good than a money pool that they know isn't within arms reach.
To create activity you gotta start from scratch, from the floor up. That means helping the newbs that are in channel starcraft USA-1 or the randoms in public games. There is no other way. The good players are either teamliquid.net and mostly play ranked//low money or already know the fastest channels and site but quit or are inactive. There aren't anymore decent players to bring in
wut? definitely not my intentions man. my bad! what i am saying is,if free money for playing a video game is not enough eye candy, then what is? :P
i completely agree with your concept man. makes total sense. and often at times you will find its not only noobs you have to teach from square 1. there are many over average "pubs" who are actually really good! you just introduce them to some strats and there we go! It is my belief that this whole thing is a COMMUNITY EFFORT and cannot be done with just a few people folks :] so please, lend a hand when you can :)
Indeed. Ive been putting in my time in trying to represent the site/channel but you couldn't have said it better, it will take more than 1 person.
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You guys don't even participate in league games.. maybe start there
Iv said this before and il say it again. No new players will come. The league only survives off old league players returning from time to time.
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You guys don't even participate in league games.. maybe start there
Iv said this before and il say it again. No new players will come. The league only survives off old league players returning from time to time.
you're right man, i havent played more than 20 games in a season of SCW yet, but I am just trying to help, like evryone else
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You guys don't even participate in league games.. maybe start there
Iv said this before and il say it again. No new players will come. The league only survives off old league players returning from time to time.
I am pretty new to the league :)
If you guys want the league to be bigger, do this. Change the Fastest map Space into Fastest Super. There are potentially hundreds of Koreans who are willing to join the league, if we use that map. Fastest Super is more balanced, and many agrees. We shouldn't be too stubborn about old tradition which no one cares outside SCW.
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You guys don't even participate in league games.. maybe start there
Iv said this before and il say it again. No new players will come. The league only survives off old league players returning from time to time.
I am pretty new to the league :)
If you guys want the league to be bigger, do this. Change the Fastest map Space into Fastest Super. There are potentially hundreds of Koreans who are willing to join the league, if we use that map. Fastest Super is more balanced, and many agrees. We shouldn't be too stubborn about old tradition which no one cares outside SCW.
WHAT DO YOU KNOW? YOU'VE PLAYED ZERO GAMES. YOU ARE A NOBODY. YOU HAVEN'T EVEN CRACKED TOP 10 ONCE LMAO NOOB GO BACK TO HIDING
jokes...
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You guys don't even participate in league games.. maybe start there
Iv said this before and il say it again. No new players will come. The league only survives off old league players returning from time to time.
I am pretty new to the league :)
If you guys want the league to be bigger, do this. Change the Fastest map Space into Fastest Super. There are potentially hundreds of Koreans who are willing to join the league, if we use that map. Fastest Super is more balanced, and many agrees. We shouldn't be too stubborn about old tradition which no one cares outside SCW.
WHAT DO YOU KNOW? YOU'VE PLAYED ZERO GAMES. YOU ARE A NOBODY. YOU HAVEN'T EVEN CRACKED TOP 10 ONCE LMAO NOOB GO BACK TO HIDING
jokes...
Exactly what I was thinking, you don’t help with activity at all so why would you have any say?
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You guys don't even participate in league games.. maybe start there
Iv said this before and il say it again. No new players will come. The league only survives off old league players returning from time to time.
I am pretty new to the league :)
If you guys want the league to be bigger, do this. Change the Fastest map Space into Fastest Super. There are potentially hundreds of Koreans who are willing to join the league, if we use that map. Fastest Super is more balanced, and many agrees. We shouldn't be too stubborn about old tradition which no one cares outside SCW.
WHAT DO YOU KNOW? YOU'VE PLAYED ZERO GAMES. YOU ARE A NOBODY. YOU HAVEN'T EVEN CRACKED TOP 10 ONCE LMAO NOOB GO BACK TO HIDING
jokes...
Exactly what I was thinking, you don’t help with activity at all so why would you have any say?
This is a very weak argument you're making here. You might even say it is not an argument at all. Core raises a valid argument, whether he has been an active member or not is completely irrelevant. It is true that most koreans hate our version of the map and don't play in our league because of it. However instead of attacking Core you should raise a counter argument. Example: We prefer our version of the map over their version because (reasons).
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We have had several seasons where the korean version of the map was allowed in addition to the western map, and the wave of korean activity never materialized. The koreans who did play (e.g. brain, sucon) used our map anyway
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We have had several seasons where the korean version of the map was allowed in addition to the western map, and the wave of korean activity never materialized. The koreans who did play (e.g. brain, sucon) used our map anyway
This premier, you’ve been back in 3 weeks so you don’t know everything like you think you do.
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We have had several seasons where the korean version of the map was allowed in addition to the western map, and the wave of korean activity never materialized. The koreans who did play (e.g. brain, sucon) used our map anyway
This premier, you’ve been back in 3 weeks so you don’t know everything like you think you do.
Then tell Core what Sword told me instead of attacking the messenger and not the message. Your initial comment informed no one in any way whatsoever. You may aswell not have said anything at all. Also I don't claim to know everything and nowhere did I make a claim that comes even close to anything that can be interpreted as such. Stick to the topic and stick to the content the topic suggest we discuss. Attacking a messenger is not part of that. Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
We have had several seasons where the korean version of the map was allowed in addition to the western map, and the wave of korean activity never materialized. The koreans who did play (e.g. brain, sucon) used our map anyway
That sucks and saddens me, but for the sake of discussion and understanding, what marketing moves were made to spread the word and interest the koreans in SCW? I missed this period and am curious. In hindsight, what would you have done differently or what have you not done to market the league and what did you do to market the league? If I know what you've tried and what you haven't tried it gives me pointers regarding what I can do and shouldn't do.
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preMier- does know everything though...
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We have had several seasons where the korean version of the map was allowed in addition to the western map, and the wave of korean activity never materialized. The koreans who did play (e.g. brain, sucon) used our map anyway
will change if better marketing, better korean translater, etc. We are just not known. That's all.
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We have had several seasons where the korean version of the map was allowed in addition to the western map, and the wave of korean activity never materialized. The koreans who did play (e.g. brain, sucon) used our map anyway
will change if better marketing, better korean translater, etc. We are just not known. That's all.
yes I agree that there should be more aggressive advertisement. I'm hosting an advertisement game right now :)
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Yea I know someone who offered to help translate the site, but its a slow process; there's a lot of content to translate. I think a lot of the gamers on fish and korea know of this league but when it comes to pro gaming they prefer streaming, and its difficult to overcome that
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Yea I know someone who offered to help translate the site, but its a slow process; there's a lot of content to translate. I think a lot of the gamers on fish and korea know of this league but when it comes to pro gaming they prefer streaming, and its difficult to overcome that
if you want i can help you with korean.
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koreans doesnt play orig either xD
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koreans doesnt play orig either xD
nobody plays original
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What a shitty League... Still the same inactive and people.. BW didn't help. Lol
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What a shitty League... Still the same inactive and people.. BW didn't help. Lol
yeah, because your contribution helps too right?
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What a shitty League... Still the same inactive and people.. BW didn't help. Lol
yeah, because your contribution helps too right?
He’s a loser vulture, don’t even bother your time on him.
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What a shitty League... Still the same inactive and people.. BW didn't help. Lol
true, not even noobs want to play this shit