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STARCRAFT => General SC => Topic started by: Minato on February 11, 2024, 08:24:29 pm
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Who would you players list as the best Early and Late game players now and the previous eras?
I don't watch many games as I don't have time to download replays but the latest HyDrA matches showed him to be a very good late game manager as he's never below 150 units.
I can't really tell who's the best Early game player as I'm not a top player since I'm relearning the game on Brood War currently.
The players don't like observers live so I don't follow anyone and I'm trying to create my own playstyle so I prefer to ask some of the best players right now on who they consider the best besides themselves! 😊
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Out of currently and recently active players:
Early:
Byul > WhiteandBlack >>> Hydra > EviL > Thanathoz > DefjaM > Gohan > QlolQ
Late: WhiteandBlack >> Byul/Hydra > EviL > DefJaM > Gohan > Thanathoz > DingO
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Out of currently and recently active players:
Early:
Byul > WhiteandBlack >>> Hydra > EviL > Thanathoz > DefjaM > Gohan > QlolQ
Late: WhiteandBlack >> Byul/Hydra > EviL > DefJaM > Gohan > Thanathoz > DingO
Who is WhiteandBlack and Gohan? I never seen them on Original back then unless they changed names.
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Out of currently and recently active players:
Early:
Byul > WhiteandBlack >>> Hydra > EviL > Thanathoz > DefjaM > Gohan > QlolQ
Late: WhiteandBlack >> Byul/Hydra > EviL > DefJaM > Gohan > Thanathoz > DingO
Who is WhiteandBlack and Gohan? I never seen them on Original back then unless they changed names.
Whiteandblack is from the Korean server, also known as Leebokgu and GoldSCV. started playing in early SCW.
Gohan is Dinko.
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Out of currently and recently active players:
Early:
Byul > WhiteandBlack >>> Hydra > EviL > Thanathoz > DefjaM > Gohan > QlolQ
Late: WhiteandBlack >> Byul/Hydra > EviL > DefJaM > Gohan > Thanathoz > DingO
Who is WhiteandBlack and Gohan? I never seen them on Original back then unless they changed names.
Whiteandblack is from the Korean server, also known as Leebokgu and GoldSCV. started playing in early SCW.
Gohan is Dinko.
Oh what, good to know!
Is LeGenD] an actual clan or was it a tag rewarded to the old players that stuck around and were at the top? 🤔
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Out of currently and recently active players:
Early:
Byul > WhiteandBlack >>> Hydra > EviL > Thanathoz > DefjaM > Gohan > QlolQ
Late: WhiteandBlack >> Byul/Hydra > EviL > DefJaM > Gohan > Thanathoz > DingO
Who is WhiteandBlack and Gohan? I never seen them on Original back then unless they changed names.
Whiteandblack is from the Korean server, also known as Leebokgu and GoldSCV. started playing in early SCW.
Gohan is Dinko.
Oh what, good to know!
Is LeGenD] an actual clan or was it a tag rewarded to the old players that stuck around and were at the top? 🤔
really old clan if I recall correctly. I remember Legen]saint and legend]sven from all the way back in VgT
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Out of currently and recently active players:
Early:
Byul > WhiteandBlack >>> Hydra > EviL > Thanathoz > DefjaM > Gohan > QlolQ
Late: WhiteandBlack >> Byul/Hydra > EviL > DefJaM > Gohan > Thanathoz > DingO
Who is WhiteandBlack and Gohan? I never seen them on Original back then unless they changed names.
Whiteandblack is from the Korean server, also known as Leebokgu and GoldSCV. started playing in early SCW.
Gohan is Dinko.
Oh what, good to know!
Is LeGenD] an actual clan or was it a tag rewarded to the old players that stuck around and were at the top? 🤔
really old clan if I recall correctly. I remember Legen]saint and legend]sven from all the way back in VgT
I wasn't around in VGT, do you know any of their noticable AKA? How did they stack up against the Pro] and MaFia. Players? 😯
Saint and Sven are 2vs2 players or 1vs1 focused?
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HasH and KeLeVRaN was doing well for MaFia. Cheese was on and off.
HaRDy was the only one doing well on Pro] as Marine and DefJam was not able to play fast enough early game.
Sh)i(ne is the current best player on this league but I don't remember him winning many seasons back when.
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Fastest meta changed a lot. For years Kokanee was the number 1 player until LovelyRabbit came over and they shared the top 1 spot on original, with uplus right behind them. This was during UGL. Rabbit introduced different build orders and playstyles.
When UGL ended and SCW started and everyone switched to BW and more koreans showed up. The best few korean streamers came over and they for a lack of better wording completely destroyed SCW at the time. Inbusjaja aka GangNamLife, LovelyRabbit(medium streamer), HankookBBalmu aka Shin(big streamer), Brain(big streamer). They played such a different style with way more focus on aggression and micro that everyone started to adapt build orders a bit and playstyles.
GoldSCV(whiteandblack) showed up in like SCW 6 but had trouble adjusting to the map at first. JH(uplus) also returned around that time and they shared the top 3 ranks with Kokanee, but Goldscv and JH were without question better. GoldSCV and JH kept developing and outgrew Kokanee in a couple seasons. Thanks, a korean low money player showed up and had some very dominant hyper aggressive mico focused seasons. His late game was also crazy good. He quit for a while and never got back into shape. Then Scan, a professional korean played a couple seasons and immediately competed at the top of SCW with extremely good micro focused play. Around this time Byul also started playing SCW and JH played his last season. GOldscv renamed to WhiteandBlack and kept getting better.
Hydra also returned and got knocked around pretty badly by JH, Scan, WhiteandBlack and Byul until he was the first to really adapt to the Korean playstyle that until then nobody had adjusted to. Since then Hydra's been without question the best non-korean player. But because koreans play A LOT on korean server vs extremely good players they get way more practice in against the best players in the world. Like if you had to Rank Hydra including the Koreans from the Korean server he'd rank somewhere in in the top 20-25 in early game but top 15 in late game.
If you had to make an all time best list including koreans from the korean server the list would be something like:
Brain > Gensay > Burgersasu > LuckyBack > 458!!!(protoss) > Byul > Shin > Mong(professional) > Flash(professional) > Light(professional) > WhiteandBlack > Mepo > GangNamLife > LovelyRabbit > JH > Scan(professional) > Dorom > Henessy > Levi > Question > By_Zone > SH > Bame >Trisha > Niture > BomBi >By_Cong > Hydra.
Burgersasu:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2untV6RHYn-FMJe1JZyi-g
Gensay:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVqVyNMZZBh-6VPx1KXiphQ
Brain:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqlcSsDNMYxEsem7bWY-66Q
Shin:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-okJdotaXPlzivRzHFqzuA
Toki:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFJcNk4d6M_dVx2nh9jsp1A/featured
Niture:
https://www.youtube.com/@niture
Byul:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/ByuL
https://www.youtube.com/@user-fc8tc6dh2n
Doromi:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Tinkle
Brain:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Brain
Scan:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Scan
Light:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Light
Flash:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Flash
Mong:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Mong
Check out the game by DeD_ Gensay and LovelyRabbit here. They are the best 2vs2 team to play SCW ever. DeD_GoM and DeD_Dorom without a doubt second best team. After that I'd say Hydra+Evil or Hyda+Gohan are the best, but there is a gap.
https://www.starcraftworld.net/index.php?action=league&mode=2v2standings&season=62
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Fastest meta changed a lot. For years Kokanee was the number 1 player until LovelyRabbit came over and they shared the top 1 spot on original, with uplus right behind them. This was during UGL. Rabbit introduced different build orders and playstyles.
When UGL ended and SCW started and everyone switched to BW and more koreans showed up. The best few korean streamers came over and they for a lack of better wording completely destroyed SCW at the time. Inbusjaja aka GangNamLife, LovelyRabbit(medium streamer), HankookBBalmu aka Shin(big streamer), Brain(big streamer). They played such a different style with way more focus on aggression and micro that everyone started to adapt build orders a bit and playstyles.
GoldSCV(whiteandblack) showed up in like SCW 6 but had trouble adjusting to the map at first. JH(uplus) also returned around that time and they shared the top 3 ranks with Kokanee, but Goldscv and JH were without question better. GoldSCV and JH kept developing and outgrew Kokanee in a couple seasons. Thanks, a korean low money player showed up and had some very dominant hyper aggressive mico focused seasons. His late game was also crazy good. He quit for a while and never got back into shape. Then Scan, a professional korean played a couple seasons and immediately competed at the top of SCW with extremely good micro focused play. Around this time Byul also started playing SCW and JH played his last season. GOldscv renamed to WhiteandBlack and kept getting better.
Hydra also returned and got knocked around pretty badly by JH, Scan, WhiteandBlack and Byul until he was the first to really adapt to the Korean playstyle that until then nobody had adjusted to. Since then Hydra's been without question the best non-korean player. But because koreans play A LOT on korean server vs extremely good players they get way more practice in against the best players in the world. Like if you had to Rank Hydra including the Koreans from the Korean server he'd rank somewhere in in the top 20-25 in early game but top 15 in late game.
If you had to make an all time best list including koreans from the korean server the list would be something like:
Brain > Gensay > Burgersasu > LuckyBack > 458!!!(protoss) > Byul > Shin > Mong(professional) > Flash(professional) > Light(professional) > WhiteandBlack > Mepo > GangNamLife > LovelyRabbit > JH > Scan(professional) > Dorom > Levi > Question > By_Zone > SH > Bame >Trisha > Niture > BomBi >By_Cong > Hydra.
Burgersasu:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2untV6RHYn-FMJe1JZyi-g
Gensay:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVqVyNMZZBh-6VPx1KXiphQ
Brain:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqlcSsDNMYxEsem7bWY-66Q
Shin:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-okJdotaXPlzivRzHFqzuA
Toki:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFJcNk4d6M_dVx2nh9jsp1A/featured
Niture:
https://www.youtube.com/@niture
Byul:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/ByuL
https://www.youtube.com/@user-fc8tc6dh2n
Doromi:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Tinkle
Brain:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Brain
Scan:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Scan
Light:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Light
Flash:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Flash
Mong:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Mong
Oh wow, the Koreans seem to have took over the FMP scene so quick and easily. The Vultures I've seen from some Terran players seem to be one of these low money pros or disciples! 😯
I was never near the old school players so it's a huge learning curve for me as I play against all the Brood War strategies.
Thank you for the update on which Korean is on SCW! ☺️
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Is Kush[FuN] Ku)S(h?
I remember MoS from those days running your tag!
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also, that list I made is assuming early and mid game. in late game i would move hydra up over Cong and perhaps some others.
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Very cool discussion!
I think my brother told me that the Europeans created Fastest Map after the Koreans dominated the Low Money scene with no answers to their strategies and kept it a secret from them until they were ready to run it without being crashed onto by the Korean pros.
Unfortunately the Koreans have taken over now by your responses :(
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Didn't know J.H was uplus
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Didn't know J.H was uplus
Are you an old player? Sky[VcK]?
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Fastest meta changed a lot. For years Kokanee was the number 1 player until LovelyRabbit came over and they shared the top 1 spot on original, with uplus right behind them. This was during UGL. Rabbit introduced different build orders and playstyles.
When UGL ended and SCW started and everyone switched to BW and more koreans showed up. The best few korean streamers came over and they for a lack of better wording completely destroyed SCW at the time. Inbusjaja aka GangNamLife, LovelyRabbit(medium streamer), HankookBBalmu aka Shin(big streamer), Brain(big streamer). They played such a different style with way more focus on aggression and micro that everyone started to adapt build orders a bit and playstyles.
GoldSCV(whiteandblack) showed up in like SCW 6 but had trouble adjusting to the map at first. JH(uplus) also returned around that time and they shared the top 3 ranks with Kokanee, but Goldscv and JH were without question better. GoldSCV and JH kept developing and outgrew Kokanee in a couple seasons. Thanks, a korean low money player showed up and had some very dominant hyper aggressive mico focused seasons. His late game was also crazy good. He quit for a while and never got back into shape. Then Scan, a professional korean played a couple seasons and immediately competed at the top of SCW with extremely good micro focused play. Around this time Byul also started playing SCW and JH played his last season. GOldscv renamed to WhiteandBlack and kept getting better.
Hydra also returned and got knocked around pretty badly by JH, Scan, WhiteandBlack and Byul until he was the first to really adapt to the Korean playstyle that until then nobody had adjusted to. Since then Hydra's been without question the best non-korean player. But because koreans play A LOT on korean server vs extremely good players they get way more practice in against the best players in the world. Like if you had to Rank Hydra including the Koreans from the Korean server he'd rank somewhere in in the top 20-25 in early game but top 15 in late game.
If you had to make an all time best list including koreans from the korean server the list would be something like:
Brain > Gensay > Burgersasu > LuckyBack > 458!!!(protoss) > Byul > Shin > Mong(professional) > Flash(professional) > Light(professional) > WhiteandBlack > Mepo > GangNamLife > LovelyRabbit > JH > Scan(professional) > Dorom > Henessy > Levi > Question > By_Zone > SH > Bame >Trisha > Niture > BomBi >By_Cong > Hydra.
Burgersasu:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2untV6RHYn-FMJe1JZyi-g
Gensay:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVqVyNMZZBh-6VPx1KXiphQ
Brain:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqlcSsDNMYxEsem7bWY-66Q
Shin:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-okJdotaXPlzivRzHFqzuA
Toki:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFJcNk4d6M_dVx2nh9jsp1A/featured
Niture:
https://www.youtube.com/@niture
Byul:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/ByuL
https://www.youtube.com/@user-fc8tc6dh2n
Doromi:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Tinkle
Brain:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Brain
Scan:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Scan
Light:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Light
Flash:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Flash
Mong:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Mong
Check out the game by DeD_ Gensay and LovelyRabbit here. They are the best 2vs2 team to play SCW ever. DeD_GoM and DeD_Dorom without a doubt second best team. After that I'd say Hydra+Evil or Hyda+Gohan are the best, but there is a gap.
https://www.starcraftworld.net/index.php?action=league&mode=2v2standings&season=62
How good was Flash at his best?
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Very cool discussion!
I think my brother told me that the Europeans created Fastest Map after the Koreans dominated the Low Money scene with no answers to their strategies and kept it a secret from them until they were ready to run it without being crashed onto by the Korean pros.
Unfortunately the Koreans have taken over now by your responses :(
Slow down idiot, I wasn't even near good and you learned watching me play when we were younger.
Get better before you go BMing for no reason.
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I remember SilenT. And xS. being on top back when I first moved over to USWest.
It was KoKaNee + koN and ChangDaWei + Jake going hard with Sc.T + Gangster and DefJam huddling around the top 10. Sky[VcK] was a noticable name and I believe I saw LovelyRabbit play as well before I quit.
Sexy-sileNce was winning almost every 2vs2 season but I think he was apart of the SilenT. team then as it was all S a decade ago.
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Very cool discussion!
I think my brother told me that the Europeans created Fastest Map after the Koreans dominated the Low Money scene with no answers to their strategies and kept it a secret from them until they were ready to run it without being crashed onto by the Korean pros.
Unfortunately the Koreans have taken over now by your responses :(
Slow down idiot, I wasn't even near good and you learned watching me play when we were younger.
Get better before you go BMing for no reason.
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I remember SilenT. And xS. being on top back when I first moved over to USWest.
It was KoKaNee + koN and ChangDaWei + Jake going hard with Sc.T + Gangster and DefJam huddling around the top 10. Sky[VcK] was a noticable name and I believe I saw LovelyRabbit play as well before I quit.
Sexy-sileNce was winning almost every 2vs2 season but I think he was apart of the SilenT. team then as it was all S a decade ago.
I know I'm better that's all 🤷♂️
Shut up, you didn't even do or say anything back then. Nobody knows you as you only copied other players style, I'm here to change that for your garbage ass.
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Very cool discussion!
I think my brother told me that the Europeans created Fastest Map after the Koreans dominated the Low Money scene with no answers to their strategies and kept it a secret from them until they were ready to run it without being crashed onto by the Korean pros.
Unfortunately the Koreans have taken over now by your responses :(
Slow down idiot, I wasn't even near good and you learned watching me play when we were younger.
Get better before you go BMing for no reason.
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I remember SilenT. And xS. being on top back when I first moved over to USWest.
It was KoKaNee + koN and ChangDaWei + Jake going hard with Sc.T + Gangster and DefJam huddling around the top 10. Sky[VcK] was a noticable name and I believe I saw LovelyRabbit play as well before I quit.
Sexy-sileNce was winning almost every 2vs2 season but I think he was apart of the SilenT. team then as it was all S a decade ago.
I know I'm better that's all 🤷♂️
Shut up, you didn't even do or say anything back then. Nobody knows you as you only copied other players style, I'm here to change that for your garbage ass.
Yo, you better stop with your arrogant ass cause you were the worst out of the five. You only sat there watching me, David, Allen and Jessica play each other most of the time.
You're embarrassing the Eastside with your 11% winrate right now.. LMAO 😂
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Very cool discussion!
I think my brother told me that the Europeans created Fastest Map after the Koreans dominated the Low Money scene with no answers to their strategies and kept it a secret from them until they were ready to run it without being crashed onto by the Korean pros.
Unfortunately the Koreans have taken over now by your responses :(
Slow down idiot, I wasn't even near good and you learned watching me play when we were younger.
Get better before you go BMing for no reason.
~
I remember SilenT. And xS. being on top back when I first moved over to USWest.
It was KoKaNee + koN and ChangDaWei + Jake going hard with Sc.T + Gangster and DefJam huddling around the top 10. Sky[VcK] was a noticable name and I believe I saw LovelyRabbit play as well before I quit.
Sexy-sileNce was winning almost every 2vs2 season but I think he was apart of the SilenT. team then as it was all S a decade ago.
I know I'm better that's all 🤷♂️
Shut up, you didn't even do or say anything back then. Nobody knows you as you only copied other players style, I'm here to change that for your garbage ass.
Yo, you better stop with your arrogant ass cause you were the worst out of the five. You only sat there watching me, David, Allen and Jessica play each other most of the time.
You're embarrassing the Eastside with your 11% winrate right now.. LMAO 😂
How about you come back on the game and run a Bo3?? I'll shit on you all day as you only knew how to play Protoss. LMAO
Zerg trash
Terran no micro skills
😂
I'm new to Brood War so I'm fixing my own build and strategy, the 200+ APM is not here yet but I plan on turning it up once I have my macro down c(:
I was the best (R) player, the fuck you mean I was the worst? I(r)is - G(r)eed - Monster(R) - fea(R) were all shit. You only looked good playing inhouse games noob.
Jessica dumped you cause you were an absolute trash of a human and player. 😂
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Very cool discussion!
I think my brother told me that the Europeans created Fastest Map after the Koreans dominated the Low Money scene with no answers to their strategies and kept it a secret from them until they were ready to run it without being crashed onto by the Korean pros.
Unfortunately the Koreans have taken over now by your responses :(
Slow down idiot, I wasn't even near good and you learned watching me play when we were younger.
Get better before you go BMing for no reason.
~
I remember SilenT. And xS. being on top back when I first moved over to USWest.
It was KoKaNee + koN and ChangDaWei + Jake going hard with Sc.T + Gangster and DefJam huddling around the top 10. Sky[VcK] was a noticable name and I believe I saw LovelyRabbit play as well before I quit.
Sexy-sileNce was winning almost every 2vs2 season but I think he was apart of the SilenT. team then as it was all S a decade ago.
I know I'm better that's all 🤷♂️
Shut up, you didn't even do or say anything back then. Nobody knows you as you only copied other players style, I'm here to change that for your garbage ass.
Yo, you better stop with your arrogant ass cause you were the worst out of the five. You only sat there watching me, David, Allen and Jessica play each other most of the time.
You're embarrassing the Eastside with your 11% winrate right now.. LMAO 😂
How about you come back on the game and run a Bo3?? I'll shit on you all day as you only knew how to play Protoss. LMAO
Zerg trash
Terran no micro skills
😂
I'm new to Brood War so I'm fixing my own build and strategy, the 200+ APM is not here yet but I plan on turning it up once I have my macro down c(:
I was the best (R) player, the fuck you mean I was the worst? I(r)is - G(r)eed - Monster(R) - fea(R) were all shit. You only looked good playing inhouse games noob.
Jessica dumped you cause you were an absolute trash of a human and player. 😂
Lol, I smashed you so many times when I played so I don't know what you're rambling about but I'm pretty sure you are mad they didn't let you join )S( when you asked to train with them. 😂
That's why we call you Jame instead of James, idiot. Go to back work and stop ducking around on this dumb game now. -_-"
You only beat a bootlegged [zT] player... You fucking suck, holy shit 😫
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Fuck you, come back and let's talk then fgt.
Ayo, who's Momo? This dude killing the best player o_o?
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Mana, please refrain from replying to yourself and flooding every SCW thread with spam. Your posting privileges will be reinstated at the end of the season.