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SCW COMMUNITY => Introduce Yourself => Topic started by: FruitTank.aiFaM on March 30, 2020, 12:26:47 pm
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How about show some reps aifam? You said you still have a StarCraft folder. Excuse me for sounding suspicious, but there has been a lot of smurfs lately and you cant just go off someones word for who they are.
I respect that Think-Fast called into question who I am. Bonus points for the tact and way that he did it. I felt that I should respond and show that I am indeed who I claim I am: FruitTank/aiFaM.
So I’m here to prove that I am really FruitTank/aiFaM and also tell a little bit of my story(since I didn’t really play for a long time. I came and went relatively quickly.)
Previously, I played mostly Bloodbath and enjoyed BGH but was never a “BGH player” as I didn’t even know there was a community. I played mostly 1v1/2v2 Bloodbath and 2v2 BGH. I don’t remember how or when but I was introduced to the cristal channel and found it interesting there was an entire website devoted to the fastest community (starcraftdream).
The prevailing wisdom at the time was that Terran was the most inferior race on fastest maps(by a fairly large margin). I don’t know why, but I wanted to show that Terran could compete and win at the highest levels. I also felt a lot better winning with Terran compared to winning with Zerg or Protoss. With that, I became a Terran-only player and focused on fastest maps.
The challenge was really interesting. At the time, most Terrans could not survive a Protoss rush (zealots & cannons). Dragoons would dominate most Terrans as Tanks couldn’t come fast enough.
If the Protoss was ever allowed to get to Templars and shuttles, they would continuously drop and wreck the Terran economy. If the Terran managed to survive all that… carriers would spell the doom for any Terran that made it that far.
Terran also was considered weak vs Zerg. The mass of units murdered most Terrans as many could not keep marine/tank production up to compete with Hydralisks. Remember, vanilla did not have medics. If the Zerg just built enough sunkin colonies, they could fend off the things Terran threw at them and could then buy enough time to mass and overwhelm the Terran.
I've been around for 20 years on here and know every one of the imbalance arguments. I'm not ignorant, I'm just biased towards individual liberty. I've seen players come out and go 70-5 in leagues vs pros playing only terran whenever it was "obvious" that protoss was OP. Think about how often zerg lost before dr.cheese. Think about how disadvantaged terran was until aifam.
I don’t have screenshots or proof, but I remember I did reeeeeally well every season that I played “ranked” fastest maps. I felt that I proved without a shadow of doubt that I was one of the best Terrans.
The younger version of me loved to prove people wrong. I loved that challenge, I had a certain passion. The more I won, the more names were getting thrown at me as people claimed I couldn’t beat X or Y. I loved the shit-talk that I was getting. A new player that dared to challenge the top players at the time? I was that new name and I was busy making improvements to my unique style of Terran. There was talk outside of the fastest community about how fastest took no skill. I heard a lot of this from the BGH community. I decided I wanted to write a new chapter in my SCD journey. Could I prove something new? That fastest players could play with BGH players on their own map?
Maybe it was overconfidence, but I blinded wandered into channel pogi (the BGH version of cristal) and challenged the players there. Ended up going perfect score and beating some of the top players there. More on this story and the conclusions later on (PS: this is a 12+ year story and after logging on a few days ago... I found someone that actually remembered) Of course, I will upload all the replays and screenshots and proof :D
My most known AKAs at the time were: MaFia.aiFaM, gM.FruitTank, La.Fruit
After Starcraft, I ended up playing League of Legends (obtained Challenger on multiple smurf accounts and have been consistently diamond+ on my main account) I mostly played champions that were out of position. Definitely wanted to chase that Terran on fastest maps feel.
There was another game I played that a lot after Starcraft. I was the leader of the #1 clan in the world. I can’t reveal the game as too much information might reveal my IRL identity. Throughout my gaming “career”(I did end up making money from some games) this was my favorite achievement.
Those that knew me from SCD know that I was into making raps and sharing them with everyone.
I made gay-themed comedy raps that received lots of praise. This is also one of the main reasons I totally disappeared from the community. I am currently a singer/rapper. You could call me a mini-small-celebrity but I have to keep a certain low profile online. I have appeared on one of the top singing/rapping competition shows. I’m on the path to becoming a professional entertainer and I have to keep things on the downlow because some of my past might come to haunt me.
I never hacked and wasn’t considered bad-mannered. Some of my old raps, however, used extreme language and I’m afraid it might impact my IRL life(similar situations have happened to fellow musicians). While it was all in fun and I was extremely young, it might not be accepted today.
I will be uploading replays here and showing more proof.
Since I played somewhat early on, only specific versions of Starcraft work correctly with these replays(I managed to get them working with 1.13f and BWLauncher). I will be adding screenshots for proof.
Here is La.BrookLyN revealing a big secret to me(that I’ve kept secret all this time). The juicy part I have edited out but I did screenshot a bunch of private conversations I had with various players throughout the years. La.BrookLyN!! I'm trustworthy!! I kept that secret all these years and still have not told anyone ;)
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Swagnificent is a genius.
Dude, we're happy to have you in La still if you wanna game with us. Have a pretty solid roster featuring some original members.
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I don't know much about the Terrans that came before me or the ones that came after me. I never kept up with the Starcraft scene after I left. I also didn't really delve into the history of FMP. I pretty much came in a flash and then left. I'm glad that some people still remember my Terran and I feel a certain sense of accomplishment when I reminisce. I had a unique Terran that played like no one else. I don’t know if later on people started copying my strategies but I think I came close to perfecting the TvZ.
I do believe that, in my prime, I had the best TvZ.
Best Terran overall is hard to prove. I was undefeated in TvT in SCD but I always hated that matchup. I was good at it but I never felt any satisfaction after winning. I always had near perfect records in SCD. My natural talent at TvT was a big reason as I really only needed to work to improve two of my matchups: TvZ and TvP.
TvP was my favorite matchup but it was always a stressful matchup because a billion things could go wrong for the Terran. I had to be at the right mindset to play a TvP. TvZ was my better matchup as in my prime I could knock out any Zerg player extremely quickly and guarantee a win. If I played seriously, the other player had no chance no matter who it was. I was that confident in my TvZ.
Why no Jinchuuriki there Mota? Or Brain or Rabbit?
both should be there but I did not put them because they dont play to much in western leagues and we have seen very little of brain
Rabbit's played a lot during the UGL era. Kplus, Homeplus, LovelyRabbit, Hplus etc. His records weren't as good as they could've been because he played too damn cocky.
1.- BattleCheese-
2.- HyDrA[vck]
3.- Pro]Marine
4.- Mafia.Hash
5.- JhonSays-
6.- KoKaNee[Av]
7.- La.ProGamer
8.- Jinchuriky
9.- Rabbit
10.- Mafia.KeLeVran
I don’t know who everyone considers good players but Mafia.HasH is considered one of the better Zergs in FMP history. I also see that people have placed him in their top 5 players of all time.
These games weren’t me “in my prime” but they showcased my process in perfecting my TvZ to approaching unbeatable. So here are some replays showcasing me on my road to improving my Terran~
All against a (very angry) HasH. :D
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BW Launcher & Starcraft version 1.13f tested
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Swagnificent is a genius.
Dude, we're happy to have you in La still if you wanna game with us. Have a pretty solid roster featuring some original members.
Allen you have Advocate on La tag at the moment. La loses all credibility with that...
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Swagnificent is a genius.
Dude, we're happy to have you in La still if you wanna game with us. Have a pretty solid roster featuring some original members.
Allen you have Advocate on La tag at the moment. La loses all credibility with that...
Oh Badvocate? Idk I think we lose more credibility with Friendly to be honest. That said, it's still full of OGs who are fun to game with.
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Thx for sharing Aifam. glad to see you back bro. i was in La. for a second not long, only for my 2v2 skills. in 2v2 i would pick T sometimes. original and BW are so much different though. hope to see how you do in the next SCW, it starts tomorrow!! hit me up if you want to practice, im still kind of noob 1v1 lol. for so many years i did nothing but 2v2.. now 2s are kind of a thing of the past, hardly anyone plays 2s anymore :/. So i am trying 1v1. In the past I did do some 1v1 but altogether I've probably only done 500 1v1 games ever. I've played probably 5-10k team games though lol. going to try and watch your reps vs hash! If i can get them to work it'll be a treat! Hash was from Europe server right? i remember many old school Europe players.. hash, Kelevran, Mattex., Orgazm[bm] etc.. Anyways gonna go game.. might not be in Kaoz much longer but if you see a guy named blue its me hit me up!
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Maphackers…
I disliked maphackers.
I made my Terran in a way that I would not be dependent on strategies that were weak to maphackers(that’s partly why you almost never saw me do tank drops). I made it where even if my opponent knew where I was, or what I was doing I could outplay him/her and win. I didn’t want strategies that wouldn’t work if the opposing player maphacked.
The maphack was very prevalent at that time, and I am very proud to have a perfect record against the best maphackers of that era. (If it wasn’t an absolute perfect record and my memory is failing me, it was one loss at the absolute maximum)
Consider these three top-tiered players(who had all been caught maphacking):
1. Chevron
(Claimed he was at the time up on all the top Starcraft players and had quite a bit of support from various players. Considering the size of his ego, I was proud that I got him to admit I was his kryptonite. My favorite game was one against Chevron’s P. It was in my prime and what I would consider my most near-perfect game against Protoss. I still haven’t found it yet but am actively searching. I found a few games but haven't found all the games I played against Chevron.)
2. OWNYOUALL (Troy)
(AKA Troy and self-proclaimed best FMP player of that time. He got banned multiple times from SCD.)
I went in with a personal mission to dominate them. Every game I went in seriously. I don’t believe any of them ever got a game off me. I played them only when I was more confident in my Terran and I had a personal mission to fend off and dominate the maphackers during that time. I really respected PenguinPlug and all he was doing at that time to make Starcraft a cheat-free environment. I’m really proud that wrecked the cheaters.
3. Hydra
(A legendary player in many people’s eyes whose wins will always be called in question because of a detailed history of map-hacking. Quite a few people have him as top 3 player of all time. You’ll never have to call in question his wins against my Terran because he could never beat it. I will attach the Hydra stuff in the next post due to the 5 attachment limit.)
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Damn this guy is obsessed with himself lmfao
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tom and hash dominated this game for like 4 years
played with hash on sc2. he was grandmaster
marine came for like a year or 2, he was good but tom was On/Off like alot of us.
Agree 1#BattleCheese- #2Hydra And #3Hash, some believe that they wasnt the best because they saw some games of them after they were decreasing theyre level but people who saw them in theire prime know the real lvl taht they reached and was incredible not like nowdays wish are very good players but not those magical games that they showed us
You saw "magical" games cause they knew what was going on all the time. It's easy to counter strategies when you know exactly what somebody is going for. If i have hacks and someone decides to 5min reaver it's insanely easy to counter when you know exactly what time that shuttle is hitting the edge of your base. I get so irritated with people like you lol i swear. He was a hacker dude.. how can you sit there and give him credit? I just don't understand....
He cheated! He dominated the scene because he knew what people were doing. A huge portion on starcraft is based on figuring out what your opponent is doing.
Anti-maphack offensive & defensive strategy
Hail Hydra ;)
Bonus picture is the aiFaM FruitTank special on how to defend against Protoss Carriers trying to take your main
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Korean changed the top 10 rankings.
Brain(korean low money pro) destroyed everyone. He easily takes one by quite a huge margin.
1. Brain https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Sea.KH (https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Sea.KH) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqlcSsDNMYxEsem7bWY-66Q (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqlcSsDNMYxEsem7bWY-66Q)
2. Shin(played SCW beta and season 1) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-okJdotaXPlzivRzHFqzuA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-okJdotaXPlzivRzHFqzuA)
3. Hoho(Inbusjaja) (retired korean starcraft streamer)
4. Rabbit https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFJcNk4d6M_dVx2nh9jsp1A/featured (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFJcNk4d6M_dVx2nh9jsp1A/featured)
5. J.H + GoldSCV korean fastest 1vs1 players.
6. Kokanee
The rest is hard to give a definitive ranking but the gap is quite considerable between 6 and 7.
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Korean changed the top 10 rankings.
Brain(korean low money pro) destroyed everyone. He easily takes one by quite a huge margin.
1. Brain https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Sea.KH (https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Sea.KH) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqlcSsDNMYxEsem7bWY-66Q (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqlcSsDNMYxEsem7bWY-66Q)
2. Shin(played SCW beta and season 1) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-okJdotaXPlzivRzHFqzuA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-okJdotaXPlzivRzHFqzuA)
3. Hoho(Inbusjaja) (retired korean starcraft streamer)
4. Rabbit https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFJcNk4d6M_dVx2nh9jsp1A/featured (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFJcNk4d6M_dVx2nh9jsp1A/featured)
5. J.H + GoldSCV korean fastest 1vs1 players.
6. Kokanee
The rest is hard to give a definitive ranking but the gap is quite considerable between 6 and 7.
Defjam? Idk about quite considerable.
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Korean changed the top 10 rankings.
Brain(korean low money pro) destroyed everyone. He easily takes one by quite a huge margin.
1. Brain https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Sea.KH (https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Sea.KH) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqlcSsDNMYxEsem7bWY-66Q (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqlcSsDNMYxEsem7bWY-66Q)
2. Shin(played SCW beta and season 1) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-okJdotaXPlzivRzHFqzuA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-okJdotaXPlzivRzHFqzuA)
3. Hoho(Inbusjaja) (retired korean starcraft streamer)
4. Rabbit https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFJcNk4d6M_dVx2nh9jsp1A/featured (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFJcNk4d6M_dVx2nh9jsp1A/featured)
5. J.H + GoldSCV korean fastest 1vs1 players.
6. Kokanee
The rest is hard to give a definitive ranking but the gap is quite considerable between 6 and 7.
I played the Warcrafts, Diablos and Starcrafts... One thing that was etched in my memory: Korea is the undisputed King of Blizzard Games.
For a time, I tried convincing people that the only reason other regions had any chance at League of Legends is because Korea didn't go all-in on League of Legends.
Many pros at the time were unconvinced Korea had any chance due to NA and Europe's head start at the game. They did not believe Korea could close the gap within a year.
Lo and behold, once Korea made League of Legends their go-to game... in a span of a few months, they started a dominant dynasty that would last many many many years.
However... something strange, never before seen thing happened last year.
Other regions caught on. China has won the last two league of legends worlds tournaments(Team I.G. and FPX). The year before Chinese victory, the finals was between Europe and NA.
What was super interesting is that China took in Korean B-tier players and turned them into superstars. The Korean region which was once considered so dominant, has not won a single world's championship in three years.
I have no doubt that the Korean community should have the best Starcraft players now, the rest of the world has given up on Starcraft.. But for some reason, the rest of the world has caught on when it comes to the #1 popular internet video game. If Starcraft became everyone's go-to game again, would Korea still be dominant?
I don't know
It's a weird time
Coronavirus
President Trump
Weirder things have happened
I don't have the answers
I once considered Korea unbeatable once they picked their game...
but...
I no longer hold Korean gamers on an unbeatable pedestal anymore.
Not saying I'm gonna suddenly return to Starcraft and try to prove that Koreans are beatable in fastest maps... haha
I'm not that person anymore, my focus is on other parts of my life at the moment but I do wonder whatif.. Coronavirus has changed many people's lives. I've just been thinking about how I've lived mine. There are a lot of what-if's that I've been pondering.
Damn this guy is obsessed with himself lmfao
Maybe it's Coronavirus.
Maybe it's just myself thinking of the past.
People are dying around me and I wanted to put some of what I did down on paper (even if it is just in a video game over 10 years ago).
Those that knew me know that I never bragged about my gaming ability or anything really. I was one of the most downlow players in the community.
I'm really not trying to brag. Just trying to close the door on this chapter of my life and giving those that know me/or wanted to know me a little more insider info.
I just suddenly left Starcraft. A part of me feels sorry and that I should have said goodbye at least to my friends and fellow SC players. I don't remember exactly what was happening in my life at that time period and why I suddenly left.
Maybe I'm looking for a little self confidence as well. Real life is hard work, and while I have some of the best opportunities coming my way it seems I'm not taking the proper actions to do well. All I've wanted in my wildest dreams are about to come true if I just take advantage of the chances that are being given to me. I've lost that passion, the passion I once had when I was a young infant gamer trying to perfect his Terran.
Maybe I've gotten old. By writing all this down, all the memories, all the regrets and the things that happened in my life in and outside of Starcraft/Gaming came rushing back. There were a lot of things I forgot about. Once I started looking at old pictures and replays, they all came rushing back. Over 10 years ago, what have I done in my life since then? Obviously, I'm not trying to tell too much of my IRL story, but the Starcraft side was pretty special (at least to me, even if at that time I never told anyone).
I mean... it is a introduction thread... a thread about .. uh.. me
You're free to your opinions and if I seem obsessed to you, that's fine.
I did enjoy writing this, does that make me obsessed?
Maybe I'm just getting too old for this.
Swagnificent is a genius.
Dude, we're happy to have you in La still if you wanna game with us. Have a pretty solid roster featuring some original members.
Glad to see La is still going strong! Do you guys still have a Bnet channel? I’ll have to swing by sometimes. None of my old accounts still exist, but I purchased Starcraft remastered and went online to play a few games. Right now, I’m using the account “FruitTank”
I’ll be sure to swing by and game/say hello to all the La members. ;)
Thx for sharing Aifam. glad to see you back bro. i was in La. for a second not long, only for my 2v2 skills. in 2v2 i would pick T sometimes. original and BW are so much different though. hope to see how you do in the next SCW, it starts tomorrow!! hit me up if you want to practice, im still kind of noob 1v1 lol. for so many years i did nothing but 2v2.. now 2s are kind of a thing of the past, hardly anyone plays 2s anymore :/. So i am trying 1v1. In the past I did do some 1v1 but altogether I've probably only done 500 1v1 games ever. I've played probably 5-10k team games though lol. going to try and watch your reps vs hash! If i can get them to work it'll be a treat! Hash was from Europe server right? i remember many old school Europe players.. hash, Kelevran, Mattex., Orgazm[bm] etc.. Anyways gonna go game.. might not be in Kaoz much longer but if you see a guy named blue its me hit me up!
Feels good, feels good
Hope those memories are stirring things in you as well
Glad to see more old school La players. I will look for a player named Blue :D Yeah, for sure. We can definitely practice some but I'm a withered shell of my former self at this game :(
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you wont ever beat the starcraft koreans.
I've been hanging with a korean amateur at semi-pro level for the last two months and he stomps the best low money foreigners without really trying to. In Starcraft they are a different breed.
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Thats why a finnish guy rapes the korean ppl, yes. Its Serral....
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Thats why a finnish guy rapes the korean ppl, yes. Its Serral....
I meant starcraft 1. not 2.
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This guy must be high on pills lmao wtfffff.
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Swagnificent is a genius.
Dude, we're happy to have you in La still if you wanna game with us. Have a pretty solid roster featuring some original members.
Allen you have Advocate on La tag at the moment. La loses all credibility with that...
Credibility.... aren't you the guy that had cole play on your account for you during a SCW tournament? I play and bring activity to the game while you sit back and talks as if what you have to say is relevant... You were a medium level gamer with an ego too big for its own good. Get over yourself, its a game.
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Nah, Kon is a good player and have to give credit where it is due. Cole playing on his account and how often it happened is a completely different subject. Kon has proven to be a good player.
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welcome back aiFaM
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Swagnificent is a genius.
Dude, we're happy to have you in La still if you wanna game with us. Have a pretty solid roster featuring some original members.
Allen you have Advocate on La tag at the moment. La loses all credibility with that...
Credibility.... aren't you the guy that had cole play on your account for you during a SCW tournament? I play and bring activity to the game while you sit back and talks as if what you have to say is relevant... You were a medium level gamer with an ego too big for its own good. Get over yourself, its a game.
You can have your opinion of me, I don't care what you think. You're a moron. Facts are I won leagues and have beaten everyone there is and was to beat. All you seem to try and accomplish is beating teleport 100x a season. Anyone that's good at this game knows how good I was.
Cole played on my account once, as I was unable to play my tourney games. I was going to get booted from tournament anyway so I let him do it. Obviously a mistake but SC was not on my radar for much longer so I didn't care as much about it. Still wrong. And really, it was against big old Gus, like why would I be scared to play him lol. He's my teleport.
I'd recommend taking your own comment "of it's a game get over yourself". You're clearly scared to play anyone half decent as your ego can't take a loss. You'd rather play the same noob all season and get wins rather than improve at this game. I watch webbot and you literally fake afk whenever anyone half decent asks you to play, and then you .scw1 your own record to jerk off to in the channel. If you don't enjoy hearing the truth, do something about it. Man up and play some decent players and maybe you'll get some respect. Until then continue to expect bm.
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you wont ever beat the starcraft koreans.
I've been hanging with a korean amateur at semi-pro level for the last two months and he stomps the best low money foreigners without really trying to. In Starcraft they are a different breed.
First, I’m not your average “foreigner.”
I roommate with 4 Koreans. I lived/spent the entire last year in a Korean gaming house. Right now, I’m competing in a field that Koreans are known to dominate in. It ain’t StarCraft but the past two years have shown that they aren’t invincible in this field either.
But, enough about that.. all I’m saying is if the European/Chinese gaming communities both gave up all other games and refocused on StarCraft 1, there’s no guarantee that Koreans will remain gods in StarCraft 1. The world has caught up in the gaming sphere but they’ve also given up on StarCraft 1 a long time ago.
The Korean region is strong, but there is not a single modern game they have a stranglehold on anymore. They’re not genetically predisposed to be gods at Starcraft 1 but beatable at Starcraft 2. It’s just a matter of timing. Their gaming culture, habits, economic situation allowed them to be #1 in the world in a time in which the rest of the world was playing catch up. They took the game seriously in a way the rest of the world couldn’t imagine. The gaming house, A/B teams were all huge factors that allowed them to put a stranglehold on any game they wanted to touch.
The reality is that in today’s age, you see countries like Pakistan putting out Tekken players that win world titles over Korea or Japan. China has won the last two League of Legends World’s. Europe won before that and Korea didn’t even make the finals that year.
StarCraft 2 isn’t dominated by Koreans only. Koreans do well in all these games, but they aren’t unbeatable.
Second, we’re talking about fastest. Not saying I can or can't beat a Korean player if I started playing StarCraft now and trained for 1.5 years... but they really aren't unbeatable.
I'm literally watching the VODs of some of these korean fastest players.
First, Brain is pretty damn good. I’ve been watching his games and while he does show small weaknesses sometime, he patches those up quickly with every game he plays. I feel that he is the type of player that would do well in fastest even if all of Korean low$ suddenly played only fastest. I don’t know if people consider him #1 in fastest, but yeah from watching his games he is the real deal. I think it’s dangerous to just watch a few games of Brain and them label him a certain type of player because he really does show vast changes as time goes on.
I watched many games of LuckYback as well as other Korean fastest players. Generally VODs are more informative than replays but overall they don't play nearly as perfectly as possible. Nothing I would consider unbeatable. Main problems I think they can improve on a lot is choke building patterns, drop defense and execution of certain cheese. I saw LuckYback lose a Terran early bunker rush vs Zerg that 3 hatched because he didn't choke. How?!?!?! How do you screw that bunker contain up? A choke would have 100% prevented the Zergling surround. There’s a sense of Korean pride in that the Terrans always want to match the zealots/zerglings with marines instead of playing certain parts safe. They don’t cheese defense or cheese contain. They pretty much try to rely purely on their marine micro and I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen them waste ungodly amounts of money on marines that die to a surround when they could have just gotten a better choke. They lose a lot of economy with subpar building and their mass times aren’t super crazy. I’m sure they can play a lot better. Most of this is knowledge and willingness to execute rather than hand-speed and innate talent but they really aren’t invincible. The interesting thing is top Korean low$ Terrans *do* cheese chokes and various ways to save economy on defense while leaving more flexibility into their openings when playing low$. So it’s just a matter of them treating fastest like that and use every cheese and trick they know to grab any advantage they can.
Quite a few of the Korean StarCrafters aren't that great at drop defense in fastest. Many games go GG after the Protoss just drops once or twice and the defensive T player doesn't have enough drop D. I don't know if it's Korean pride or something, but they don't pull enough marines or tanks back. They're too confident in their micro that they don't choke early. The choke allows you to bring more defense to the mineral area and at the same time be able to respond to attacks at the front. When they do finally have their choke, they never pull the marines back to respond to drops.
They also don't leave a gas open near the command center in order to gas-hit repair trick the main CC. I saw LuckYback lose four command centers to muta/queens and he didn't make a single move with his SCVs to repair. These pros should know the repair trick but for some reason I never see the Terrans do it. I don't know if he didn't see the mutas or what, but they honestly have quite a few holes in their game. The Korean players have pretty strong micro and handspeed but there really are a lot of gaping weaknesses in their game in terms of how they build and how they approach fastest. Valkyries and tanks can’t be the only units for drop defense and yet I’ve seen many of these Korean fastest players keep them as the only drop defense near the CC. Valkyries are interesting weapons that we didn’t have in our era. Mainly is because we played vanilla StarCraft but second issue is that unit limit bugged out easily and Valkyries stopped firing. Combined with mind control, Protoss generally had a better early, mid and late game. Starcraft remaster fixes and mind control ban does make the entire matchup quite different.
I can’t tell you how many of these Korean Terrans GG’ed out after only 1 or 2 drops from the Protoss. It’s honestly depressing given how much better their map is for Terran compared to ours(Have we switched to their version? At the very least make the mid spots more balanced like theirs…).
The Korean Terrans really aren’t unbeatable.
Overall the Korean maps give Terran some reeeeeally strong possibilities. They can put Tanks on the high ground and generally have a much easier time containing the opponent and breaking bases. Terrans never had a map this generous to them for fastest. I’m just so disappointed at their drop defense and building patterns.
I’m not saying I could comeback and beat Brain in a best of 7 RvR series(I’d get demolished but TvZ would be interesting.). But to say I wouldn’t take games off any these Korean fastest players if I took it seriously and trained? I don’t buy it.
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Swagnificent is a genius.
Dude, we're happy to have you in La still if you wanna game with us. Have a pretty solid roster featuring some original members.
Allen you have Advocate on La tag at the moment. La loses all credibility with that...
Credibility.... aren't you the guy that had cole play on your account for you during a SCW tournament? I play and bring activity to the game while you sit back and talks as if what you have to say is relevant... You were a medium level gamer with an ego too big for its own good. Get over yourself, its a game.
You can have your opinion of me, I don't care what you think. You're a moron. Facts are I won leagues and have beaten everyone there is and was to beat. All you seem to try and accomplish is beating teleport 100x a season. Anyone that's good at this game knows how good I was.
Cole played on my account once, as I was unable to play my tourney games. I was going to get booted from tournament anyway so I let him do it. Obviously a mistake but SC was not on my radar for much longer so I didn't care as much about it. Still wrong. And really, it was against big old Gus, like why would I be scared to play him lol. He's my teleport.
I'd recommend taking your own comment "of it's a game get over yourself". You're clearly scared to play anyone half decent as your ego can't take a loss. You'd rather play the same noob all season and get wins rather than improve at this game. I watch webbot and you literally fake afk whenever anyone half decent asks you to play, and then you .scw1 your own record to jerk off to in the channel. If you don't enjoy hearing the truth, do something about it. Man up and play some decent players and maybe you'll get some respect. Until then continue to expect bm.
Thank you for taking this much effort and time out of your day to write all this because you clearly "dont care what i think" LOL triggered.
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They definitely are beatable. My point was the best of SCW seems currently incapable of doing so. Most of the points you bring up are legit, but often also not the case. While the map does bring up a couple of different imbalances compared to western map, it is by far a lot more balanced.
Their approach isn't nessecarily arrogance as you describe it, but moreso trying to get as much done with as little as the situation allows for, given no mistake is made. They prefer a high pace over a slow pace. Over investing in defending or attack to them slows the pace down too much, even though at times it is the correct choice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2zw_rHF9d8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPCztTE-JQ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNdfL2chzUw
http://bj.afreecatv.com/wodnr7872/vods?page=1&keyword=458
http://bj.afreecatv.com/wodnr7872/vods?page=1&keyword=1%3A1&field=title%2Ccontents
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwBY25juI3-JXTTv0HeXM8gN0pjIWd6nw
http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/47716548 (from23 minutes)
(J.H) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtnUb02t0b7n4FqyGopfnkA
Also, about China winning League Of Legends worlds two years in a row.
DoinB = Korean
GimGoon = Korean
TheShy = Korean
Rookie = Korean
Duke = Korean.
2018 Worlds KT ROlster was second strongest team and only team to even put up a fight with IG, a team consistent of mostly koreans. 2018 KT Rolster was second best team at Worlds.
2-3 vs IG and losing on a coinflip fight. IG 3-0 G2 and Fnatic.
2019 is a different story.
2020 Estar is the first fully chinese team seemingly capable of winning worlds unless they crash in summer split.
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They definitely are beatable. My point was the best of SCW seems currently incapable of doing so. Most of the points you bring up are legit, but often also not the case. While the map does bring up a couple of different imbalances compared to western map, it is by far a lot more balanced.
Their approach isn't nessecarily arrogance as you describe it, but moreso trying to get as much done with as little as the situation allows for, given no mistake is made. They prefer a high pace over a slow pace. Over investing in defending or attack to them slows the pace down too much, even though at times it is the correct choice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2zw_rHF9d8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPCztTE-JQ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNdfL2chzUw
http://bj.afreecatv.com/wodnr7872/vods?page=1&keyword=458
http://bj.afreecatv.com/wodnr7872/vods?page=1&keyword=1%3A1&field=title%2Ccontents
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwBY25juI3-JXTTv0HeXM8gN0pjIWd6nw
http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/47716548 (from23 minutes)
(J.H) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtnUb02t0b7n4FqyGopfnkA
Okay, then it seems like we don't entirely disagree.
Good stuff
Yeah I do think the Korean map + no mind-control rules nowdays are are lot more fair to all the races compared to before.
Thanks for the wealth of links. I get to watch and learn a lot more now :D
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They definitely are beatable. My point was the best of SCW seems currently incapable of doing so. Most of the points you bring up are legit, but often also not the case. While the map does bring up a couple of different imbalances compared to western map, it is by far a lot more balanced.
Their approach isn't nessecarily arrogance as you describe it, but moreso trying to get as much done with as little as the situation allows for, given no mistake is made. They prefer a high pace over a slow pace. Over investing in defending or attack to them slows the pace down too much, even though at times it is the correct choice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2zw_rHF9d8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPCztTE-JQ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNdfL2chzUw
http://bj.afreecatv.com/wodnr7872/vods?page=1&keyword=458
http://bj.afreecatv.com/wodnr7872/vods?page=1&keyword=1%3A1&field=title%2Ccontents
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwBY25juI3-JXTTv0HeXM8gN0pjIWd6nw
http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/47716548 (from23 minutes)
(J.H) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtnUb02t0b7n4FqyGopfnkA
Okay, then it seems like we don't entirely disagree.
Good stuff
Yeah I do think the Korean map + no mind-control rules nowdays are are lot more fair to all the races compared to before.
Thanks for the wealth of links. I get to watch and learn a lot more now :D
HamburgerSasu is a treat to watch but he is one of the few who DOES get arrogant. Minchul Park is an absolute beast. Brain is by korean considered to be the #1.
Koreans I've spoken to consider Brain > Minchul > Hamburger/Shin/LuckY/Hoho/Light(PRO)/Mong(PRO) > the rest.
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Also, about China winning League Of Legends worlds two years in a row.
DoinB = Korean
GimGoon = Korean
TheShy = Korean
Rookie = Korean
Duke = Korean.
2018 Worlds KT ROlster was second strongest team and only team to even put up a fight with IG, a team consistent of mostly koreans. 2018 KT Rolster was second best team at Worlds.
2-3 vs IG and losing on a coinflip fight. IG 3-0 G2 and Fnatic.
2019 is a different story.
2020 Estar is the first fully chinese team seemingly capable of winning worlds unless they crash in summer split.
Oh, don't get me wrong. Korea is still strong in League of Legends and they might win this upcoming World's in dominating fashion. It's quite possible we see a Korean team vs Korean team in the finals. But they aren't a lock for gold like before. Many players no longer just assume Korea will win if they put their mind to it. Korea fielded their all-superstar comeback teams and it still didn't get them the gold. The pedestal has been destroyed and the whole world knows anyone can beat anyone in today's game.
The Gap be damned, Champions can fall, Gods can bleed.
There's something about the Chinese system, however, that makes B-tiered Korean players straight beasts after they commit fully to the Chinese lifestyle and system. Duke isn't a big contribute to his team but the other four you listed are definite cornerstones of their respective teams and yes, they are Koreans. But they are only 2/5 of the team, even if I.G. is perhaps primarily dependent on TheShy and Rookie...
None of them were really the most sought after free-agents when they were in Korea and generally did poorly when they played in Korea. Up until the DoinB raised the championship trophy, he was being bashed left and right for being the worst mid laner in the laning phase of the entire tournament. Every single round the analysts and commenters stated his average to below-average mechanical ability would be a huge problem. I would have guessed that the Chinese system would not do as well in cultivating less-than-proven talent and instead be better at raising capital and securing the top talent and names like Faker. Instead China has shown that some of their organizations are actually great at growing with newer players and creating the next superstars. A part of me still feels it's luck because it almost goes against all the prevalent theory about the Chinese system.
Gaming culture and habits of each region now has advantages and disadvantages rather than before were everyone was just trying to play catch-up and copy what the Koreans were doing.
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also, part of what makes braingod stand out so much is his eapm, which is highest amongst all current starcraft players while his apm is average for pros.
(https://i.imgur.com/cpyFU5Y.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ehs5GNt.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/JbBLZAH.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/UJZSqw9.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/zr3pKDa.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/2fdjl7a.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/xochQ4u.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/73YvnPr.png)
and one for ddukka(hamburgersasu) and Goldscv(leebokgu)
(https://i.imgur.com/ef1v3H9.png)
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Wow interesting post, damm brain very high eapm, is similar the eapm of a zerg pro early game as jaedong, bisu too have hight eapm
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Korean changed the top 10 rankings.
Brain(korean low money pro) destroyed everyone. He easily takes one by quite a huge margin.
1. Brain https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Sea.KH (https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Sea.KH) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqlcSsDNMYxEsem7bWY-66Q (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqlcSsDNMYxEsem7bWY-66Q)
2. Shin(played SCW beta and season 1) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-okJdotaXPlzivRzHFqzuA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-okJdotaXPlzivRzHFqzuA)
3. Hoho(Inbusjaja) (retired korean starcraft streamer)
4. Rabbit https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFJcNk4d6M_dVx2nh9jsp1A/featured (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFJcNk4d6M_dVx2nh9jsp1A/featured)
5. J.H + GoldSCV korean fastest 1vs1 players.
6. Kokanee
The rest is hard to give a definitive ranking but the gap is quite considerable between 6 and 7.
Defjam? Idk about quite considerable.
Lol Defjam... who?
If anyone belongs to that list it's Pro]Marine-... He dominated the FMP community was it was most active with 99% win ratios. Made people like Jinchuuriki, HasH, Jon, Hardy and Hydra look helpless in games vs him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM9efrXZFks (4-0 Kelevran)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v8U55R0JSw (2-0 Jinchuuriki)
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Korean changed the top 10 rankings.
Brain(korean low money pro) destroyed everyone. He easily takes one by quite a huge margin.
1. Brain https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Sea.KH (https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Sea.KH) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqlcSsDNMYxEsem7bWY-66Q (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqlcSsDNMYxEsem7bWY-66Q)
2. Shin(played SCW beta and season 1) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-okJdotaXPlzivRzHFqzuA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-okJdotaXPlzivRzHFqzuA)
3. Hoho(Inbusjaja) (retired korean starcraft streamer)
4. Rabbit https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFJcNk4d6M_dVx2nh9jsp1A/featured (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFJcNk4d6M_dVx2nh9jsp1A/featured)
5. J.H + GoldSCV korean fastest 1vs1 players.
6. Kokanee
The rest is hard to give a definitive ranking but the gap is quite considerable between 6 and 7.
koanee? wtf? ahahahahahah are you smoking bruh?
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Pro]Marine definitely had most potential to be the best after the koreans. Had he kept on playing he would be above Kokanee. Defjam isn't in there because I only listed my top 7. Whatever comes after can be interchanged somewhat. Tyga, Marine, oMni, Jinchu, Kele, DefjaM, Cheese, Thanks, Hardy, Madara, etc. They or more or less to a degree interchangeable.
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Marine??? Are you joking? If you are going to pull up videos on youtube about marine beating two top gamers, then dont forget to pull up his 0-2 vs hardy during that same time span. Every one beats everyone at that level. Both defjam and kokanee destroyed hardy multiple times. But yet, I've seen evil 5-0 defjam during both their active times. Not trying to take away from any of there standings because they are or were all good gamers. Playstyles matter.
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Korean changed the top 10 rankings.
Brain(korean low money pro) destroyed everyone. He easily takes one by quite a huge margin.
1. Brain https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Sea.KH (https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Sea.KH) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqlcSsDNMYxEsem7bWY-66Q (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqlcSsDNMYxEsem7bWY-66Q)
2. Shin(played SCW beta and season 1) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-okJdotaXPlzivRzHFqzuA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-okJdotaXPlzivRzHFqzuA)
3. Hoho(Inbusjaja) (retired korean starcraft streamer)
4. Rabbit https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFJcNk4d6M_dVx2nh9jsp1A/featured (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFJcNk4d6M_dVx2nh9jsp1A/featured)
5. J.H + GoldSCV korean fastest 1vs1 players.
6. Kokanee
The rest is hard to give a definitive ranking but the gap is quite considerable between 6 and 7.
Defjam? Idk about quite considerable.
Lol Defjam... who?
If anyone belongs to that list it's Pro]Marine-... He dominated the FMP community was it was most active with 99% win ratios. Made people like Jinchuuriki, HasH, Jon, Hardy and Hydra look helpless in games vs him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM9efrXZFks (4-0 Kelevran)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v8U55R0JSw (2-0 Jinchuuriki)
Hydra dominated marine, beat him both all star tournaments. What are you smoking?
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I'm talking about general performance, not just a single match series. Marine dominated FMP. There was no comparable player. Too bad the page is down or you could see it.. In his time he went like 80-2 while playing the best (Hardy too, lol).
To be fair, lots of people played series and made only the winner report games, but the dominance was so plain obvious.
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Marine/hydra/sin/biggame all map hacked
Vgt 27 kelevran/jinch are same level as current Jose/Mandingo
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Not sure why anyone mentions Hydra. Dude hacked and deserves no credibility for his past 'achievements'.
Defjam went 50% vs Brain in SCW2 (Orig). No other foreigner was able to manage that. To me, Defjam is a close 2nd to Kokanee. No other foreigner mentioned is 'interchangeable' with him. Marine, Khai, and maybe Tyga can get real close to #3 (if they kept playing) but the rest of those people aren't even close. Some of them have really strong matchups though. Like besides Kokanee, Monte has the best TvP of any foreigner on FMP. But he's not on Defjam level.
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Its all based off of play style at that level. Tyga was up on defjam. And during ugl, hydra was beating tyga without hacks alongside omni. Monte crushed omni and even was even up on Hydra yet defjam would dominate monte. Dinko was beating hydra overall and evil was bashing most of them. Tyga and defjam were beating cole maybe 4/10 games but cole would 5-0 evil. At that level, as you can see, it was all about which style you were weak against.
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Ugl era kon/omni/tyga all trade even on any given day
Kokanee/rabbit only ones who would hold consistent win % vs those players.
Defjam didn’t hit his prime til early scw league. Anything before that he was just as average as hardy
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Hands down id say brain is definitely the best But his records wouldn’t of looked so good if more top players played during his active seasons. His only top competition was mamba and Jose.
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.Back in SCD I used to beat up on Fruit quite a bit, went like 4-0 usually. never thought he was a top player
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Not sure why anyone mentions Hydra. Dude hacked and deserves no credibility for his past 'achievements'.
Sadly, I'm not part of the Era that people know. I never faced Hardy, Cole, Marine, Kele, Jinchu or Defjam. Quite a few of these are new names to me.
I can't really mention many of the others because I never really played them and we never spectated each other ever.
The people I played that I see still get named are like... Hydra, Stalife, HasH
Yeah, I played Kefu and Andre and whatnot but it seems they get little mentions anymore. I played Kefu once and played Stalife once. Many of the people I played there weren't mass games. I didn't really play too long/too much StarCraft. I came abruptly and kinda left abruptly so Hydra is one of the ones I can really mention here.
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.Back in SCD I used to beat up on Fruit quite a bit, went like 4-0 usually. never thought he was a top player
Ummm... what? I never played anyone that much on SCD. Must be another Fruit because my records in SCD never went above 4 losses in total so how can you be 4-0 on me "usually." Who are you? I was consistently top ranked in every SCD I played and my losses were very few each season(one season I had -1 losses...negative one.. I dont know if people remember that season, the system bugged). There's no way you went 4-0 "usually" because no one ever went 4-0 on me. I never even played games like that. Always switched up opponents. The only people that played that many games vs me were Chevron, Andre and Hash. I never even played that many 1v1s.
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Its all based off of play style at that level. Tyga was up on defjam. And during ugl, hydra was beating tyga without hacks alongside omni. Monte crushed omni and even was even up on Hydra yet defjam would dominate monte. Dinko was beating hydra overall and evil was bashing most of them. Tyga and defjam were beating cole maybe 4/10 games but cole would 5-0 evil. At that level, as you can see, it was all about which style you were weak against.
If I remember correctly hydra got caught hacking during ugl. I was parting him against tyga, and Alex kept saying he thinks he’s hacking and next thing you know he got tagged lol. Hydra got tagged about what 3-4 times now?
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Yeah the dude is unfortunately not to be trusted and has no credibility as a great player. He might be good, but he fucked up his reputation too badly to be considered a great player ever in my opinion.
Edit: And that's not to say he isn't talented or isn't a cool person. It's just that his teenage self acted in a way that tarnished his reputation as an elite gamer.
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which, putting everything into context, really highlights the current levels of play.
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Don't get me wrong Tom is cool af and a good guy but I never understood why he was revered as such a great gamer.
People are always claiming how he was the greatest of all time yet he failed to show anything of that caliber in UGL and was eventually caught hacking again, not to mention his low APM.
I would put Kokanee, Tyga, Omni, Defjam and Kon above Hydra any day. I guess I just don't understand the hype behind his gaming, nothing more than a top 10 player even with his hacking.
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Don't get me wrong Tom is cool af and a good guy but I never understood why he was revered as such a great gamer.
People are always claiming how he was the greatest of all time yet he failed to show anything of that caliber in UGL and was eventually caught hacking again, not to mention his low APM.
I would put Kokanee, Tyga, Omni, Defjam and Kon above Hydra any day. I guess I just don't understand the hype behind his gaming, nothing more than a top 10 player even with his hacking.
The main thing that sets Cole and Tyga apart was their willingness to change builds and strategies depending on the changing meta. I still saw Hydra doing the same old builds in a new meta.
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Newbport shut up… Tom is really a beast. Observe his gamestyle and youll understand. And stop your bs about "hacking" Alot of ppl used hacks back then, he played even worse when he was hacking.
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Newbport shut up… Tom is really a beast. Observe his gamestyle and youll understand. And stop your bs about "hacking" Alot of ppl used hacks back then, he played even worse when he was hacking.
Tom hasn’t been a “beast” since vgt/scd days. The skill level is so much higher now a days.
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And just wtf do you think im reffering to, scw??? Ofc its vgt/scd
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Tom confirmed hacker!! I banned his ass on SCD :O
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Hippe, hacks or no hacks. Tom was a beast.
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The skill level nowadays is higher due to the few Koreans. Otherwise it's lower/same.
For example I think HasH of VGT times would be the top player (after Koreans) here. And he wasn't the best back then.
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Theres a few gamers that play now, other than the Koreans, that would crush Hash. Look at how some of the non Koreans improved. Just a couple seasons ago, thanks a Korean, would like 30-4 Mandingo and now they are about even.
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Idk. I just remember for example how HasH dealt with carriers in tvp. It was auto loss for protoss. Today the top people struggle even with goliath range.
Maybe people today are in general better but there tons of ways where people in vgt/scd times were better than people today.
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Dealing with carriers mostly depends on the level of harrassment and timing. If Protoss is dropping every 30 secs while making the cars and keeping terran poor then Terrans at a loss. Or, if the conversion of ground units to cars is faster than Terran can make anti air from tanks because of mass tank pushout, that could also be a loss. You cant base tvp vs cars off of just carriers being dealt with. It should be the level of harrasment the Terran has had to deal with.
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I know, I'm just way more impressed by the way HasH did all of that back then than how people do it now.
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If ur comparing his prime vs prime of players into today’s eras. No hash wouldn’t be close. But if he kept playing I’m sure he’d improve to today’s levels. Same Games for other Vgt pros that quit.
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If ur comparing his prime vs prime of players into today’s eras. No hash wouldn’t be close. But if he kept playing I’m sure he’d improve to today’s levels. Same Games for other Vgt pros that quit.
Some people seem to forget it's already been 10 years or more since the VGT-era. It would be stupid to assume there has been no growth in all that time. It is also stupid to assume people from back then wouldn't be capable of growing to match today's level, excluding koreans, if given the time. I entirely agree with you on this one.
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i can tell you guys from my personal experience. i was never gosu 1v1 but i did make it all the way to top 5 in scd on the nick 50CaL.Tae with pretty good stats of like 50-12. once i hit top 5 i lost more. however that was original sc and this is bw. even with that said, i had little experience in original 1s and ive played 1s in scw on bw for a couple of months now and i cant climb to top 5 so easily. the skill level now is higher then back then. part of the reason is that theres many more good players now then there was back then. now days i can 1 out of every 5 games be beaten by a non scw player in a pub game. some random kid who has 200apm. you would never see that 10 years ago trust me. the amount of good players now is crazy.
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That's right princess, and you remember the beat downs I wsould put on you
.Back in SCD I used to beat up on Fruit quite a bit, went like 4-0 usually. never thought he was a top player
Ummm... what? I never played anyone that much on SCD. Must be another Fruit because my records in SCD never went above 4 losses in total so how can you be 4-0 on me "usually." Who are you? I was consistently top ranked in every SCD I played and my losses were very few each season(one season I had -1 losses...negative one.. I dont know if people remember that season, the system bugged). There's no way you went 4-0 "usually" because no one ever went 4-0 on me. I never even played games like that. Always switched up opponents. The only people that played that many games vs me were Chevron, Andre and Hash. I never even played that many 1v1s.
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i remember u well if its true thats you, and La.ProGamer was up on you easy
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i remember u well if its true thats you, and La.ProGamer was up on you easy
who the fuck is la programer lol
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You are a shit terran player
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Nah, Kon is a good player and have to give credit where it is due. Cole playing on his account and how often it happened is a completely different subject. Kon has proven to be a good player.
koN gave me the easiest p vs mid z strategy. very nice 👍🏻
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oh shit this is the brooklyn drug team keeping this game alive