StarCraft World
GENERAL => General Discussion => Topic started by: xS.Jake on May 29, 2022, 10:24:01 am
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is anyone else interested in seeing scw be back on original? FMP just isnt meant for dark templars, lurkers and medics. People use these units as a crutch when i think it requires more skill on original. Some people may disagree. Anyone else think we should go back to what we played for 10+ years? I just came back and im still learning brood war, but i still think the game is way more balanced on original.
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Could always just play sc og on the scw map if both players agree. I'd be up for it and I know a few other gamers would be as well. Bw takes a bit more technical skill over just macro and allows for more unique stats but I know what you mean. Lurker swarm can be a pain.
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lurker swarm is lame, dark templars take early game tvp away too which is a big thing. ive noticed the only way to win tvp on bw vs anyone good is to hold rush, then turtle until youre big enough to handle anything. Any good player will wreck you with dark templars quick after a failed mb or whatever. And they come out earlier then a vessel does. I know what you mean with more strats but also protoss is already overpowered. I havent played in 8 years and im continuously beating people with my protoss. Its even more op on broodwar with corsairs for drops and vision harass and dark templars in my opinion.
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But there's also medics and valks for Terran. Easier to stop rushes with meds and cars are way easier to beat with valks and gol range with mm. You no longer need to rely on constant wraith/ghost micro. Its give and take. The amount of micro it takes to use darks properly vs Terran when t can make a few turrets can be challenging. Your fighting a nonstop battle in a base other than your own that will most definitely keep you behind in macro if you dont do enough damage. Because of medics, p has to d harder when doubling or tripling. Same as z. Can't just get a couple sunks at choke anymore. Yea, sairs make drops harder to stop but z can lurk main and have you ever seen a mass drop run into a few valks? Practically get liquefied. P is just easier to unrust in general with. I can take time off sc and come back to beat ppl with p but definitely can't with Terran or zerg. Yea you were gone for a while but 150 plus games is more than enough to be oiled up
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youre right im definitely trash now. Ive gotten better since i came back but its challenging to unrust and learn bw which is completely different. All my old strats dont work lol. I would almost garuntee that good players would participate more or even come back to compete in 1s if it was on original.
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You should add a poll to see what the community thinks.
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I dont think you are trash at all. Just the game has adapted and theres not many noobs anymore. Everyone's pretty good now lol. I like the idea of sc og though. Let's throw a "legends" invite tournament on sc og!? Cash prize
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I added a poll to see what people think. OG would be fun to run again. Hope you guys agree
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I think there should be a sc and bw league next season. Just doing sc might not make the Korean gosus come back. They play bw
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thats what we did during vgt and a lot of the time the original league was where most competition was. Community may be too small to split it up now though. The koreans came and played when we were all still only playing OG. Dont think they care. They prolly think the competition is weak now and going og would only make it more interesting.
Also while were at it. Bring back PPvPP in 2s!! lol
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Koreans only come when there is money no less than 200 dollars
Original sounds good a season for nostalgia. I have no problem which game to choose bw and sc they are both fun.
I will vote for original, I think that if Jake donates money for the prize pool, sword he will think about it more
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ill throw some money down if thats what will make a difference
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im down for OG league too . i vote yes for OG
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OG is more balance to bw in fastest,
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ive been saying this, but sword told me that org is dead.
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fastest 1 on 1 should always be played on original since dt medic lurker stall helps noobs ruin the game
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Yes, OG is a far superior game.
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Original is completely predictable, back when i played the last season of original I used 1 build per race and thats all you needed to win against top players, literally no reason to switch it up, push into wraiths tvz worked everytime almost, fast guards always worked zvt, etc. it got pretty boring to me.
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I wouldnt mind there being two league running simultaneously one for original and one for broodwar, just so people who want to play it, can. Ill be sticking to BW myself tho
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Lol. So stev gets no bm for playing bunch of D ranks. Y’all hypocrites
Either way congrats stev
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Original is completely predictable, back when i played the last season of original I used 1 build per race and thats all you needed to win against top players, literally no reason to switch it up, push into wraiths tvz worked everytime almost, fast guards always worked zvt, etc. it got pretty boring to me.
Maybe you’re predictable doesn’t mean everyone else is… you could argue that zvt and tvz is the same way on brood war with lurker/swarm and medics/push. I highly doubt you were “winning against top players” consistently with the same strat every time. And what do you mean, was it fast push with wraiths worked every time or the fast guardians? ..
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Besides sniper.scope nobody is really speaking up on behalf of brood war while the votes are 12-9. Someone got an argument for bw? If nothing else there’s this: more top players will play/comeback if it’s the same game we played for 10+ years competitively. I know when I saw bw I almost said fuck it and returned my desktop I had boughten just to play this game
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vgt was original and bw same time why we cant do it again. i think ppl oldschool gonna maybe back to sc if they heard to OG league back alive again
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I think you guys forgot that this has been tried before and barely anyone played scw on original. Even if you open up sc on original there’s very little games, so you’re not even attracting any new players
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Yea Hus, i vaguely remember there being a return season of orig which flopped horribly. I enjoy orig as much as the next person but times have changed. Orig was basically on its last leg before remastered came out. I think having a tournament for orig only to see how much interest people have could be one way to go, maybe hype it back up if thats what ur going for. and ill play PPVPP all day anyday Jake u know this
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The games from 1998 though, aren’t we better off trying to attract people from the old community rather than trying to find new players lol and that still doesn’t negate the fact that fmp on og is superior. I’m surprised it’s as split as it is poll wise. Do people really enjoy lurker/swarm that much? Lol
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The league is broken, its not only bw is not for fastest but also the map has spot abuse witch your top players abuse and we have half the community cheating for each other with a inactive "scw police" id love to play org or bw but we gotta focus on the issues before anyone new would ever want to come or old members come back. We have no plan of attack, no ads for scw running on or around places that would bring in a crowd or new player and we have no way to make the league money. No ads running on website or "win a fucking scw t shirt for hitting top 5" nothing, everyone just gets on tec up to lurker/cloud and then plays nr20. Fucking gosu mfs. Gus everyone uses similar strads i mean toss is either mid build, mild build with gas or double 1 gate/forge with 2 gas. How many players don't go drops or abuse the fact all your probs r stacked in 1 spot and not just atk with units and use special ability. This game has gone to junk
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Also with the 20 members we have that make 5-6 smurf accounts
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Ppl just haven't learned to deal with swarm yet. It honestly makes the more balanced. Pushing a z was too easy on original. Tanks rises into wraith with good timing was all you need
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i never went gards at the end of org and i would run over ppls tanks push1-1 ups into cloud
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A good zvt can hold a Terran push and get to late game which is equal. And speed lings are better for Zerg on original zvt with no medics.
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Stopping a good t as z in bw is difficult lol. Mm is so strong. Lurker swarm comes around 9 mins.... takes alot of lurker micro around sunks and even then, t can spread units around swarm. Watch byul's tvz reps.
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Stopping a good t as z in bw is difficult lol. Mm is so strong. Lurker swarm comes around 9 mins.... takes alot of lurker micro around sunks and even then, t can spread units around swarm. Watch byul's tvz reps.
damn bruh ur dumpster juice if it takes u 9 min to get lurkers
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Stopping a good t as z in bw is difficult lol. Mm is so strong. Lurker swarm comes around 9 mins.... takes alot of lurker micro around sunks and even then, t can spread units around swarm. Watch byul's tvz reps.
damn bruh ur dumpster juice if it takes u 9 min to get lurkers
he said lurker swarm smart guy
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Swarm, gards the tec tree is similar. Need hive to build correct building then still need to get the upgrade to have energy. We have ppl in this community that go super fast gas just to get it sooner and then build and play defense for the next 20 mins
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Bw tactics is lame, toss has a huge advantage over the t due to dts you need turrets or scan or a science v to be aggressive. I agree with Jake, and 90% if not more depend on dts to save your noob asses "im gonna throw all my money into tech and go drops to abuse the flaw because the fact this game isn't ment for fastest" and if u get pushed your going dt to hold. 1-2 scans is only so much turrets r good for holding a position u need a science v to be aggressive witch is super lame. There usto be more t players that got aggressive and took map
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Save your money. Forget baby. Put the money to next season so the good players will play for real
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Baby can't even get a positive record playing noobs
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Baby can't even get a positive record playing noobs
can u?
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I got a positive record while massing games vs the Koreans brain hydra kokanee. Who the fuck are you even? You seem like a below average player to me.
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Baby got trashed by gangster.dup when I wrecked dup every season back to back to back. Sigh....
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Also massed games with evil, defjam , tyga, hivoss, Monte, silent.kon, omni. To answer your question yes I can.
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I bet 500$ that baby will never beat fainer. Fainer will rape him every season for life. You suck noob cheater baby you will never reach my lvl cheater pub.
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A throwback season for old times sake would be interesting
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Also massed games with evil, defjam , tyga, hivoss, Monte, silent.kon, omni. To answer your question yes I can.
I think hivoss is J.H
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I got a positive record while massing games vs the Koreans brain hydra kokanee. Who the fuck are you even? You seem like a below average player to me.
just a question chill out. your record looks mostly more loss than win.
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You have no idea what it's like playing vs only the best players without dodging. My records looked bad because I sometimes did back to back bo21 vs Korean programmers. Good luck beating them. I got top 3 in several seasons competing vs the Koreans. Respect please young one.
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Its true. Gus's games are vs mostly top tier gamers. He doesnt dodge like gg]eazy to make his record look nice.
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You have no idea what it's like playing vs only the best players without dodging. My records looked bad because I sometimes did back to back bo21 vs Korean programmers. Good luck beating them. I got top 3 in several seasons competing vs the Koreans. Respect please young one.
I was born over one thousand years ago. you may earn my respect only when you have proven yourself in battle against the forces of evil. I'm not sure if they play starcraft
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Well we play starcraft around these parts youngn. That's why it's called starcraft world so get gaming
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Well we play starcraft around these parts youngn. That's why it's called starcraft world so get gaming
I will game if pp vs pp gets active especially on original so my overwhelming zealot forces don't be frightened off by 2 dts
consider that my vote for original SCW league
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gus pwnd scan in a series. true gosu
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Kush would never qualify for a top tournament let alone beat scan. Dude has no respect...
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That was the same season cole pussied out and dodged scan but I played and won lol....
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Let’s bring this conversation back
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Where have you been jake?
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Got busy with work had to travel for two weeks and then when I got back figured I sucked and didn’t wanna play against lurker swarm anymore lol
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i cant see why we cant host it for both bw and org.
me personally i would only be playing org.
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Shut up riidd1ck
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No cap yall are retarded asfk, anyone who knows anything of og starcraft pp v pp knows its not even close who was the best. It was Ryoji for longest time untill I came and decimated xS. And the new upcomming koreans took 6 months to learn where Nana emerged as basically the best ive ever witnessed. Tyga in his prime was a hard second and id rate myself #3 but I was heavily medicated. If I came back today and it was og sc without me being lit 24/7 you would get slapped and it wouldnt even be funny just like I came back from 2 years while yall was active entirely and mopped yall after 10 games unrustying? It would be the same thing. Personalmente. I find pp v pp doesnt matter whether its on sc or bw. Just makes it more in depth, rather pr vs pr might be a little more equal matchups. Doesnt matter if its starcraft or broodwar yall would get stomped in pp v pp consistently. Any of you. And most likely the koreans would have a hard challenge. That being said everything you little idiots have said is irrelevant cause last time you chimed off i came back and smacked your mouths shut but the ones who are truly little bitches in their character will never stfu. The ones with resolve. Honed up to their mistaken assumptions and swallowed it, it wasnt their fault, you just didnt know who set the bar for 2v2 in the first place. As ive said before the bar is where its at today becsuse of me, and then Tyga, and Kokanee. Prior to that it was Mafia, and Xs , and L]o[st_ etc. You can talk all you want but the top players who actually played with me or against me during that era will never argue what they witnessed. The destruction of most likely the most iconic clan in fastest altogether in my opinion is xS. Especially during their reign they would have shut down any of the top players/clans no question the only ones who came close were mafia hash n kelevran n water, who id rank #2 as a clan. But I decimated them. Made them leave off stage with their tails between their legs at the height of their collective effort to defeat me in pp v pp.
Why do you think Cole calls me xS killer? And many others who was around but not many were good enuff to ally me vs ryoji/Nana or Ryoji/menace only a handful.
Theres a difference between being consistently good player kiddo, and a META CHANGING PLAYER.
there are players like cheese qaa marine hash kelevran kokanee who changed metas. Also tyga
But I was the first one to change the 2v2 meta where it evolved into today. At this point I dont even care about the ones who want to consistently talk shit to crack a rise. Yall stupid asf cuz history is written. And if sc came back or pp c pp was made into a point system for 2v2 incentive. You would just re witness what has already taken place
Dont waste my time or energy for any other bs.
I hate to call people retarded or judge people or a community but some of you have really kept the bitter sourness residing in any other gaming community which ive seen or been apart of or any community for that matter, I havent witnessed such depravity of human respect mutual. Only a few people ive come across in this I have mutual respect for and most of them dont play anymore. Its actually a shame for new upcomming players to come along and witness the pure toxic energy and lack of mutual respect as competetitors. Gaemtoss probably dipped cause of it, shame cause I would have liked to beat him at his prime he prob was this genre's future best 2v2 player. Yall really screwed up the future of the potential of fastest league.
Maybe you will swallow that sour bitter pill of your prude you been holding to acknoledge the greatness of others, or maybe ull continue living in your own fantasy. Either way
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No cap yall are retarded asfk, anyone who knows anything of og starcraft pp v pp knows its not even close who was the best. It was Ryoji for longest time untill I came and decimated xS. And the new upcomming koreans took 6 months to learn where Nana emerged as basically the best ive ever witnessed. Tyga in his prime was a hard second and id rate myself #3 but I was heavily medicated. If I came back today and it was og sc without me being lit 24/7 you would get slapped and it wouldnt even be funny just like I came back from 2 years while yall was active entirely and mopped yall after 10 games unrustying? It would be the same thing. Personalmente. I find pp v pp doesnt matter whether its on sc or bw. Just makes it more in depth, rather pr vs pr might be a little more equal matchups. Doesnt matter if its starcraft or broodwar yall would get stomped in pp v pp consistently. Any of you. And most likely the koreans would have a hard challenge. That being said everything you little idiots have said is irrelevant cause last time you chimed off i came back and smacked your mouths shut but the ones who are truly little bitches in their character will never stfu. The ones with resolve. Honed up to their mistaken assumptions and swallowed it, it wasnt their fault, you just didnt know who set the bar for 2v2 in the first place. As ive said before the bar is where its at today becsuse of me, and then Tyga, and Kokanee. Prior to that it was Mafia, and Xs , and L]o[st_ etc. You can talk all you want but the top players who actually played with me or against me during that era will never argue what they witnessed. The destruction of most likely the most iconic clan in fastest altogether in my opinion is xS. Especially during their reign they would have shut down any of the top players/clans no question the only ones who came close were mafia hash n kelevran n water, who id rank #2 as a clan. But I decimated them. Made them leave off stage with their tails between their legs at the height of their collective effort to defeat me in pp v pp.
Why do you think Cole calls me xS killer? And many others who was around but not many were good enuff to ally me vs ryoji/Nana or Ryoji/menace only a handful.
Theres a difference between being consistently good player kiddo, and a META CHANGING PLAYER.
there are players like cheese qaa marine hash kelevran kokanee who changed metas. Also tyga
But I was the first one to change the 2v2 meta where it evolved into today. At this point I dont even care about the ones who want to consistently talk shit to crack a rise. Yall stupid asf cuz history is written. And if sc came back or pp c pp was made into a point system for 2v2 incentive. You would just re witness what has already taken place
Dont waste my time or energy for any other bs.
I hate to call people retarded or judge people or a community but some of you have really kept the bitter sourness residing in any other gaming community which ive seen or been apart of or any community for that matter, I havent witnessed such depravity of human respect mutual. Only a few people ive come across in this I have mutual respect for and most of them dont play anymore. Its actually a shame for new upcomming players to come along and witness the pure toxic energy and lack of mutual respect as competetitors. Gaemtoss probably dipped cause of it, shame cause I would have liked to beat him at his prime he prob was this genre's future best 2v2 player. Yall really screwed up the future of the potential of fastest league.
Maybe you will swallow that sour bitter pill of your prude you been holding to acknoledge the greatness of others, or maybe ull continue living in your own fantasy. Either way
Back when I was in L]o[sT ... we murdered all clans. And I was way up on ryoji in 2s ppvpp O.o.. but okay sure =)
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Sup Jake big gosu
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No cap yall are retarded asfk, anyone who knows anything of og starcraft pp v pp knows its not even close who was the best. It was Ryoji for longest time untill I came and decimated xS. And the new upcomming koreans took 6 months to learn where Nana emerged as basically the best ive ever witnessed. Tyga in his prime was a hard second and id rate myself #3 but I was heavily medicated. If I came back today and it was og sc without me being lit 24/7 you would get slapped and it wouldnt even be funny just like I came back from 2 years while yall was active entirely and mopped yall after 10 games unrustying? It would be the same thing. Personalmente. I find pp v pp doesnt matter whether its on sc or bw. Just makes it more in depth, rather pr vs pr might be a little more equal matchups. Doesnt matter if its starcraft or broodwar yall would get stomped in pp v pp consistently. Any of you. And most likely the koreans would have a hard challenge. That being said everything you little idiots have said is irrelevant cause last time you chimed off i came back and smacked your mouths shut but the ones who are truly little bitches in their character will never stfu. The ones with resolve. Honed up to their mistaken assumptions and swallowed it, it wasnt their fault, you just didnt know who set the bar for 2v2 in the first place. As ive said before the bar is where its at today becsuse of me, and then Tyga, and Kokanee. Prior to that it was Mafia, and Xs , and L]o[st_ etc. You can talk all you want but the top players who actually played with me or against me during that era will never argue what they witnessed. The destruction of most likely the most iconic clan in fastest altogether in my opinion is xS. Especially during their reign they would have shut down any of the top players/clans no question the only ones who came close were mafia hash n kelevran n water, who id rank #2 as a clan. But I decimated them. Made them leave off stage with their tails between their legs at the height of their collective effort to defeat me in pp v pp.
Why do you think Cole calls me xS killer? And many others who was around but not many were good enuff to ally me vs ryoji/Nana or Ryoji/menace only a handful.
Theres a difference between being consistently good player kiddo, and a META CHANGING PLAYER.
there are players like cheese qaa marine hash kelevran kokanee who changed metas. Also tyga
But I was the first one to change the 2v2 meta where it evolved into today. At this point I dont even care about the ones who want to consistently talk shit to crack a rise. Yall stupid asf cuz history is written. And if sc came back or pp c pp was made into a point system for 2v2 incentive. You would just re witness what has already taken place
Dont waste my time or energy for any other bs.
I hate to call people retarded or judge people or a community but some of you have really kept the bitter sourness residing in any other gaming community which ive seen or been apart of or any community for that matter, I havent witnessed such depravity of human respect mutual. Only a few people ive come across in this I have mutual respect for and most of them dont play anymore. Its actually a shame for new upcomming players to come along and witness the pure toxic energy and lack of mutual respect as competetitors. Gaemtoss probably dipped cause of it, shame cause I would have liked to beat him at his prime he prob was this genre's future best 2v2 player. Yall really screwed up the future of the potential of fastest league.
Maybe you will swallow that sour bitter pill of your prude you been holding to acknoledge the greatness of others, or maybe ull continue living in your own fantasy. Either way
Back when I was in L]o[sT ... we murdered all clans. And I was way up on ryoji in 2s ppvpp O.o.. but okay sure =)
During their prime? Mmm hmmm ya sure ;)
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enough of your talk kush. i swear you're just as delusional as dr.andre. everytime you come back, you literally get destroyed. stop talking about the past and put your money where your mouth is and play a full season. You parted cole and still couldnt be top. whenever you parted anyone else, you got shit on.
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enough of your talk kush. i swear you're just as delusional as dr.andre. everytime you come back, you literally get destroyed. stop talking about the past and put your money where your mouth is and play a full season. You parted cole and still couldnt be top. whenever you parted anyone else, you got shit on.
I shouldnt even respond to nonsense but heres a replay for any caster that wants to cast and backup any claims of me being trash against this wannabes. GOD BLESS N TAKE CARE. Plz keep the trash talk up maybe it will be more hyped if yall decided to make pp v pp incentivized love ya baby girl
Ps pls stop trying to make me feel bad for you for stomping you with Cole even with me as zerg mid vs you two next to eschother. Why should I feel bad for you? Your grown ass? Stop crying like a baby I have no reason to feel bad for stomping any of you crying babies out there. Stop
https://www.starcraftworld.net/index.php?action=league&mode=gamedetails&l=2&season=62&gid=1204
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Good job kush. Anyone can post a replay. And all you did was show up sore Cole's back was from carrying you. Why don't I dig up at least 10 plus reps of you getting destroyed? Even with you parting Cole.
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Just stop crying like a little baby dude its fucking old n pathetic. I backed my claims you keep making excuses. Tell them to setup og sc or pp v pp. Untill then either say something without whining n crying n playing on sympathy or stfu altogether
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You losers have every single excuse in the book as to your responses of me coming back n smacking you in the facesse after all that shit talk last time. At this point it aint even worth it. Starcraft fastest league hss already been tainted enuff from yall.
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All hail THE REAL KING! KINGKUSH!!!!!!
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Who's making excuses??? Lol. Shutup and come back already. Otherwise stay in lala land because you haven't proven shit. $50 says I'd smack you ppvpp with equal parts and I'm not even that good ppvpp. If you want, we can even set this up in SC og. Just to be clear about where kush ACTUALLY stands in scw is evident based off of these stats:
SCW season 28 2v2
oG]Kush rank 45 record 36-41
L-mx]steak rank 55 record 78-83
Kush might say he's "rusty" but according to scw history, he's participated in multiple other seasons with over 20 other names. Kush, you are not a noob but you are far from top lvl.
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kush sucks, back to question
can we do a scw org and start at scw1 (org)keep scw bw going
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All hail THE REAL KING! KINGKUSH!!!!!!
AMEN
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Kush nowhere near top nobody thinks you're top. Just stfu pub
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I agree with Gus. Kush is trash. I suck at 2s still learning and kush got walked like a dog. I had full control
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Perhaps this could help kush?
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9599-delusional-disorder
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Muta micro on OG = Imba
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Lurk swarm is a joke. The truth is fastest wasn’t made for sc.
Fastest org is not as imba compared to bw fastest
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all ryoji did was make cannons at 200 apm and dodge drops decently
solid player but not hard to beat
all kush did was make zealots and emotionally rage a lot
I got him blocked into mid base even from corner base every time
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BW is many times more balanced with giving Terran and Zerg more tools to play with.
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Man I sure miss cannon carrier style with p...
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Who is kush?
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Only the greatest ppvpp’er to ever dl or own a sc/bw cd in the 24+ year history of the game. That’s who!!!!
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Going 3 factory vs Z and fast grads vs t
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Or pvst you got dummy’s going dt/drop tech. With og you had a more aggressive style of Terran. You could get a tank and push if toss was going drops.
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Or pvst you got dummy’s going dt/drop tech. With og you had a more aggressive style of Terran. You could get a tank and push if toss was going drops.
you still can. Bring a scv and build some turrets on your push. If anything watch more korean 1vs1 and you can see them do it quite often.
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If you truly believe broodwar is more balanced on fmp then you were never a top player. Muta micro imbalanced? I could’ve massed marines against Muta and done fine because I don’t have to go pure mech cuz fuckin lurkers shred marines. There’s a reason we played original for 15+ years. If you don’t play competitively and you don’t really know the game like top players your opinion is irrelevant honestly. Clearly this will never happen and quality players like myself won’t be active ever again because broodwar is trash on fmp. I’m glad you guys can still enjoy the game I’ve loved being apart of the community and seeing friends still playing after 8 years was dope.
PS - kush was never more than mediocre at ppvpp and anyone talking down on ryoji is straight 🧢 . He was the best and most consistent for a long time. But that was also a long time ago as well
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If we can't get an og league going, I'm down to host a prize money SC OG tournament. Maybe a couple weeks out so some inactive players can get active. SC OG TOURNAMENT OF LEGENDS.
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If you truly believe broodwar is more balanced on fmp then you were never a top player. Muta micro imbalanced? I could’ve massed marines against Muta and done fine because I don’t have to go pure mech cuz fuckin lurkers shred marines. There’s a reason we played original for 15+ years. If you don’t play competitively and you don’t really know the game like top players your opinion is irrelevant honestly. Clearly this will never happen and quality players like myself won’t be active ever again because broodwar is trash on fmp. I’m glad you guys can still enjoy the game I’ve loved being apart of the community and seeing friends still playing after 8 years was dope.
PS - kush was never more than mediocre at ppvpp and anyone talking down on ryoji is straight 🧢 . He was the best and most consistent for a long time. But that was also a long time ago as well
actually loled
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No medic = no fun
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This is coming from someone who's played a crap ton of both sc and bw. It takes more skill to be good at bw. There aren't as many strats and units in SC og thus easier to macro and micro. With more units, comes more options and counter options. It's logic that bw is harder which is why all low money, bgh, and Korean fmp leagues are on bw. Not sc. Gamers with high level mechanics are great at og but you need more than that in bw. I can tell you right now that if you play competitive bw and get good at it, sc og becomes so easy. I've crushed top og gamers on regular sc from getting better in bw and I'm no where near top bw level.
There's a counter for everything. Lurker swarm does suck to play vs but so what? It takes 8-9 mins to get it up. T has medics to push so much harder that z shouldn't even be allowed to reach lurker swarm if the t microes well and gets a fast vessel. Dts? So what? If p goes fast dts, doesn't that. cost some macro?
Regardless, I'd still like to see an og season or tournament for just fun.
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If you truly believe broodwar is more balanced on fmp then you were never a top player. Muta micro imbalanced? I could’ve massed marines against Muta and done fine because I don’t have to go pure mech cuz fuckin lurkers shred marines. There’s a reason we played original for 15+ years. If you don’t play competitively and you don’t really know the game like top players your opinion is irrelevant honestly. Clearly this will never happen and quality players like myself won’t be active ever again because broodwar is trash on fmp. I’m glad you guys can still enjoy the game I’ve loved being apart of the community and seeing friends still playing after 8 years was dope.
PS - kush was never more than mediocre at ppvpp and anyone talking down on ryoji is straight 🧢 . He was the best and most consistent for a long time. But that was also a long time ago as well
Can you name one person who is a top player right now that thinks we should go back to orig though?
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Idk but you guys wonder why there are barely any top players who play 1s now. A lot of people switched to 2s. Ace you think you’re hot shit but I came back after 8 years (8 fuckin years my guy) and split all my 2s with you so smd. You’re decent but the way you talk you’d think you were a god and you pub bash for decent records. I remember I first came back and didn’t even know who you were and you threw a fit when you lost to me. Cry more kid and keep loling. David’s opinion is valid but at same time the strats are boring. Long games on broodwar are painful to play and not fun at all it makes the game terrible. There was plenty of “skill” involved in original as well. Good ol marine micro no medics tvp was the most fun thing in all of StarCraft for me before I quit. Long games were hella balanced on og, you saw many games go long with top players every matchup. People been playin bw so now you’re used to it but sc was better and that’s why we all played it as long as we did. And sword, if you don’t think I could become a “top” player on bw if I wanted to you’re very wrong. It just takes time but any top player who’s played me knows my skill cap is much higher than a lot of people on here.
To the real ones - it was dope to come back and play we had some ggs and it was a lot of fun. Appreciate you guys and as always wish you all the best.
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Either way, I think we should definitely allow a seperate og bracket next season(if it's not too much more work for sword) . If not, I'm down to host an og tournament.
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I mean it’s gonna be like the 3s bracket. Who cares
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This game dead not worth to come back n destroy you pansies shit talkers. No feelings hurt
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This game dead not worth to come back n destroy you pansies shit talkers. No feelings hurt
ppl are better now you might not be able to compete at all
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Kush come back let’s see the gosu
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This game dead not worth to come back n destroy you pansies shit talkers. No feelings hurt
ppl are better now you might not be able to compete at all
Despite being the best 2v2 of all time and undisputed pp g pp of all time. I have world records in powerlifting and million followers on my channels.
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Quit crying and get skills. You're fucking trash.
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switching to korean map would honestly fix a lot of the 1v1 issues. Spot abuse and imbalanced base sizes and different choke sizes on scw map are huge restrictions of game play and strategic diversity but also skill expression. You get fucked by spot abuse and most of your skill goes out of the window because you're dealing with something that straight up ignores your skill. You can edit korean map to disallow hill tanks and fix the one real imbalance that map has.
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I think bw on fastest is unbalanced on this map and scw is dead. Sword show me more than 20 people that play this league. I’ll wait