StarCraft World
GENERAL => General Discussion => Topic started by: Muve on October 18, 2017, 12:26:17 pm
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We all want more and more people to play sc ( either bw or sc )
but how? im trying to find some way and we all need to work together to make it happen.
So leave some msg on how we can do it. and if u can apply those things.
One of my suggestion is :
since there is alot of pubs games, why not when you afk, just make a game with the name : Chanel op ugl
people would join the channel and ask wtf is it then u can explain.
more people on channel, more people knowing about scw and fmp.
more games more funs. etc
Another one is :
stop being fucking dicks to anyone. we all grow up now... it changes nothing to insult some1 else.
Another one is :
make a pool for BW or SC for next season, give it a week for people to vote, then start the next season ASAP. one week between season is enough, for the price pool? reduce it, personnally i dont give a fuck about winning $ on sc ( if its an issue with $ )
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Good idea. that's how I got into VGT was my friend I used to pub with told me about the channel. forgot what it was in those times, probably op vgt. and from there I signed up for the league.
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and we if we could have a bot that we could do : .info
and say all we need to know about league.
like website, fastest map, prize info etc
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One of my suggestion is :
Another one is :
stop being fucking dicks to anyone. we all grow up now... it changes nothing to insult some1 else.
This OR
shorter seasons with both
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Insulting ppl are half of the fun, trust me. HAha.....
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since there is alot of pubs games, why not when you afk, just make a game with the name : Chanel op ugl
people would join the channel and ask wtf is it then u can explain.
more people on channel, more people knowing about scw and fmp.
more games more funs. etc
Nice !!
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stop being fucking dicks to anyone. we all grow up now... it changes nothing to insult some1 else.
Good point : )
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If everyone made a 3s pub with their friend, allied a random and 3s, and if ur parts any good, tell them the channel. From there they are able to find the website, or tell them the link, help them sign up. Everyone just wants to play some starcraft in the end.
Playing a 2v2 FastesT no noobs and you don't recognize your opponents post game in channel. When you re, tell them they can find all kinds of opponents in there.
It's not hard to help increase activity, but it takes collective effort.
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3s are fun,even when you bs your partners.This is war ! Duck Allies
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I thought Clan Xtre has already been doing this? where are all the people ?
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stop being fucking dicks to anyone. we all grow up now... it changes nothing to insult some1 else.
Think this one plays the biggest role when it comes to killing activity. Nobody likes to be harassed about how badly you blow at a game for the duration of the game. It's already bad enough the person ends up loosing because of it. I doubt someone is saying " i was amazing in that game " and feeling confident after they've lost.
I remember teaching every and anyone i could when I was active as fawk on this game, shit.. i still do it now lol on my stream and even when im not streaming. Not sure when all of the sudden people became cocky and bm as fk. Now every other game is a bm fest and people complaining about how they got a shitty ally. I'm pretty sure a ton of players can vouch for me if those players still played some people just don't like to admit it so I wouldn't be surprised if nobody speaks out assuming those people i helped still play. Shit i helped jake a ton when he was just a rugrat back in g)a, I helped infa)solid, xtre-rak, nhuman, xnb-homeless, qaa(JK ;D), insane, lars from g)a i think he went by g)a-z4r3x, plenty of people in g)a, plenty of people from god, ed)ccc[bnd] or some shit plenty of people from my old apm clan and thats just from the top of my head. I mean the list is endless. Maybe they weren't the best or whatever but the point is i often tried to contribute to friends/randoms.
It's a huge bummer seeing people in pubs totally bash the shet out of noobs with " my partners suck ", " this guy is garbage ", " should have gave me a computer instead " lol. It can be funny if its witty but most of the shet we've heard a billion times over and over. We get it, you got a noob, we all get them, move on and play the game and if it doesn't take up to much of your time attempt advising the person for their next game.
People are trying to learn the game and are interested but the "pro's" don't give them the opportunity. I get asked to help/teach in my streams pretty often so trust me people are really wanting to play and learn. There isn't going to be another wave of people coming to starcraft, this is it and if you want to create activity for your favorite game + league then i suggest people start changing their attitude/opinion about noobs cause they are the ones who will keep your league alive. Nobody else is going to come and promote your league, it's you or nobody and I doubt they want to come to a channel where the players are constantly bashing their skill level.
That's just not fun even in a game. Don't want to sound like a mr.knowitall but that is how i feel starcraft has been since ive came back and the reality of the situation. I know some might argue " well its the internet, stop being a p*ss* ". Yeah, true, but just because it's the internet doesn't mean you gotta be a d-bag. Just saying... And if this isn't convincing enough then again, you should really think about your fav league/game dying out again cause that is a very viable scenario.
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stop being fucking dicks to anyone. we all grow up now... it changes nothing to insult some1 else.
Think this one plays the biggest role when it comes to killing activity. Nobody likes to be harassed about how badly you blow at a game for the duration of the game. It's already bad enough the person ends up loosing because of it. I doubt someone is saying " i was amazing in that game " and feeling confident after they've lost.
I remember teaching every and anyone i could when I was active as fawk on this game, shit.. i still do it now lol on my stream and even when im not streaming. Not sure when all of the sudden people became cocky and bm as fk. Now every other game is a bm fest and people complaining about how they got a shitty ally. I'm pretty sure a ton of players can vouch for me if those players still played some people just don't like to admit it so I wouldn't be surprised if nobody speaks out assuming those people i helped still play. Shit i helped jake a ton when he was just a rugrat back in g)a, I helped infa)solid, xtre-rak, nhuman, xnb-homeless, qaa(JK ;D), insane, lars from g)a i think he went by g)a-z4r3x, plenty of people in g)a, plenty of people from god, ed)ccc[bnd] or some shit plenty of people from my old apm clan and thats just from the top of my head. I mean the list is endless. Maybe they weren't the best or whatever but the point is i often tried to contribute to friends/randoms.
It's a huge bummer seeing people in pubs totally bash the shet out of noobs with " my partners suck ", " this guy is garbage ", " should have gave me a computer instead " lol. It can be funny if its witty but most of the shet we've heard a billion times over and over. We get it, you got a noob, we all get them, move on and play the game and if it doesn't take up to much of your time attempt advising the person for their next game.
People are trying to learn the game and are interested but the "pro's" don't give them the opportunity. I get asked to help/teach in my streams pretty often so trust me people are really wanting to play and learn. There isn't going to be another wave of people coming to starcraft, this is it and if you want to create activity for your favorite game + league then i suggest people start changing their attitude/opinion about noobs cause they are the ones who will keep your league alive. Nobody else is going to come and promote your league, it's you or nobody and I doubt they want to come to a channel where the players are constantly bashing their skill level.
That's just not fun even in a game. Don't want to sound like a mr.knowitall but that is how i feel starcraft has been since ive came back and the reality of the situation. I know some might argue " well its the internet, stop being a p*ss* ". Yeah, true, but just because it's the internet doesn't mean you gotta be a d-bag. Just saying... And if this isn't convincing enough then again, you should really think about your fav league/game dying out again cause that is a very viable scenario.
this x1000000000. i plan to play next season a lot, the only reason being i've decided to try and ignore all the bm my best, and my rec is going to be brutal x] i know i suck, and don't need any extra on top of it >_< nothing wrong with little bm where needed / or joking around, but the shit i've seen in this league is the most i've ever seen in any league
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There's also a big split between whether this should be bw or orig too from what I'm seeing. Why not just have a season for each one happening at the same time? Then whoever wants to bw can bw, whoever wants to orig can orig. This may seem like a lot of extra work, I have no idea. If it is, then why not have a vote like someone else has mentioned . Seems pretty reasonable to me. Lastly, I am pretty active, and would be willing to help any way to make this thing run smoothly, I just need to be told where to start. Thanks
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There are like 450+ members registered on the website, but nowhere near that amount playing games. I think people just need to be more active, and a good way to do that is to create an environment online in which they want to be a part of, not the opposite. We should all think of ways to make Op UGL an attractive place that makes people want to be in the channel rather than out of it. How can we do this?
This may be a lot to ask. But PuMa is right. What if there was a separate channel that had people who were nice enough to take in new comers and teach them some basic build orders from 1v1 to 2v2 , and take the time to answer any of their questions? I know there is a forum on the website for that, which I think is great, but it's different when you are physically playing with someone there helping you out compared to just asking questions on a website. I would definitely do this, if I was good enough. Hell, even not being close to one of the best players I would still totally teach anyone what I know so far, which is not much, but better than nothing.
Maybe it doesn't even have to be a separate channel, because this would also potentially bring more activity into Op UGL. I think a lot of people are willing to train and ask questions but are so worried about getting ridiculed that they won't ask anyone for help, so they just play and get destroyed and bm'd , then don't come back. I think we need more support for these players. I think saying "suck it up and learn" is the easy way to go about it. Helping out is a much more effective solution, because more people will stay with it rather than abandoning it.
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Good Luck, alot of pubs don't even care about a league, we just play for fun. I have 3 cousins and 1 brother that plays sc and they don't care. We just like to have fun. Since we live so far away from each other we just game on sc to keep in touch and own noobs.
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Activity:
VGT gave point bonuses for reaching 50/100/150/200 game milestones, 100-200 pts. This helped promote activity.
VGT had a point decay system, this meant players couldn't get 1000 points ahead of 2nd place and then quit the season.
Cash incentives for players that have no hope of winning the season. 10$ to player with most games, 10$ to player with two accounts top 20 of 1v1 and 2v2. Things like this help the lower tiers to mass games in both leagues.
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I dont get it, why are ppl so sensitive. Comn.. ppl are doing it for the fun, how can any1 actually take it that far that they even care.
These are the top bm's imo.
1. Fucking noob, uve been playing this game for over 8 years and still suck. go back to 3vs3 public, faggot
(My favorite, haha)
2. Fucking ugly faggot, ive seen ur pick you look like blade the rat, HAHA.
3. I was eating while raping you and ur ally, too ez.
4. Go play Momo instead, when u reach my level msg me plz. GG
5. Go back to ur mothers basement, lmfao.
Did i miss anything? comn... who the fuck cares.
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I dont get it, why are ppl so sensitive. Comn.. ppl are doing it for the fun, how can any1 actually take it that far that they even care.
These are the top bm's imo.
1. Fucking noob, uve been playing this game for over 8 years and still suck. go back to 3vs3 public, faggot
(My favorite, haha)
2. Fucking ugly faggot, ive seen ur pick you look like blade the rat, HAHA.
3. I was eating while raping you and ur ally, too ez.
4. Go play Momo instead, when u reach my level msg me plz. GG
5. Go back to ur mothers basement, lmfao.
Did i miss anything? comn... who the fuck cares.
I mean, you probably will care when there's no league to play in because it's dead
and I'm not saying it just about you, lot's of people who BM will question why there's no activity, then laugh when more than 1 person tells them it's about BM because they won't listen lol
people on this website are trying to help, and as expected, just get laughed at and told to stfu, because that's the attitude the community has. Also, i bet the next one thrown at me is "you'v played 20 games and won 2 you're nobody you can't and won't help you have no say" , which is also the attitude this community has, which is a shame, because it stunts the growth of the league.
I respect the people who have put in the effort to rise to the top and absoloutely demolish everyone they play, and I really believe they should have a huge say in everything because at the end of the day they are obviously the active ones who contribute the most games, but that's not to say I think we should ignore everyone else that has registered. There'es a reason theres 450+ people registered on the site, yet when you get to page 2 of the 1v1 standings there are records like 3-2 (5 games , on just page 2, out of 450 people) and we all should try to figure it out, the community won't grow with 1 person doing positive things while 10 around him trash him for trying it or bringing up ideas. it's not about being sensitive, it's about trying to grow a community that you're part of.
And we can't leave out that inactivity is also due to how fucked up bnet is now. Randomly crashing, Taking ppl off friend lists, not loading games, dropping in mid game. Some people come on to play and they get 1 game in before it start's fucking up and they leave for another week before they try again . it's dumb as hell and should be fixed
it's not about trying to get people to play 50 games every day of their lives. Just getting the people who go 3-4 days without playing ,because obviously everyone is busy with life, to WANT to come on and play a few games, maybe even league games. Rather then saying it's not even worth it I hardly play anyway. Trying to make op ugl a place people want to be a part of
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Activity:
VGT gave point bonuses for reaching 50/100/150/200 game milestones, 100-200 pts. This helped promote activity.
VGT had a point decay system, this meant players couldn't get 1000 points ahead of 2nd place and then quit the season.
Cash incentives for players that have no hope of winning the season. 10$ to player with most games, 10$ to player with two accounts top 20 of 1v1 and 2v2. Things like this help the lower tiers to mass games in both leagues.
I think these are good idea's. The cash one might be out of reach, I don't think there's as much money for SCW as VGT once had, but still a good idea nonetheless
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Puppy again ... you stil talking bullshit man, don't listen to TealSilverSteal he's just toxic like the other FiRe. clan kids but anyway you can't be talking about VGT comparing with the new leagues , back then starcraft was great and verry popular and now DEAD before this patch come up even now it's not that much soo don't talk about VGT and points and shi....
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Tyga owns all! Great job for winning the new league! Keep up the good work.
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Mafi, once again. Get a fucking life and stop crying over SC - _ -
a job wouldnt be too shabby. LMFAO
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" like the other FiRe. clan kids"
Mafi could you stay calm please ? You don't even know me. Thanks
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Nope no need to say calm, to someone of fire.bullshit clan sorry even if they are not kids they sure act like so.... yeah + they are so toxic even beeing bad stil trash talking every single time aĺl of them
I am not talking about you ali i never seen you trash talking or beeing toxic sorry about that 🤗.
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Mafi, how old are you again. You sure sound like a loser irl.
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The only one who is toxic, is mafi. He started this whole thing because I wouldn't part him in 2s. what a crybaby. lol ^^
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I said I wanted a decent partner and I guess that really got to him. lmfao. grow the f*ck up mafi. -.-
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Ouch, Sorry Mafi. Dont take it to the heart - _ -
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The funny thing is that he really belive what he sas ....
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Toxic community
Imbalanced game
Protoss picking (though this wouldn't bother me so much if the protoss pickers weren't the most toxic of all, lol)
How about we explore map options to balance the game (like 4 corners only, or narrow side chokes, move minerals away from ledges, etc etc)
Though that might anger the existing community. So maybe the league is stuck in that direction
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Who cares if som1s pick Toss? cant handle it, gtfo....
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I already posted stats that show you're twice as likely to win with protoss than Z/T
and even if PvP wasn't a cancer-matchup the game gets old quickly.
PP shits on PZ and PT both too - no surprise.
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You know what... p pickers are not even the best protoss of the league so i don't care if they pick no problem
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Very good point, Ali.
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You wanted feedback on why I (and others) don't play the league and I gave it to you. Whether you agree is not really up for debate - since I can cite whatever reason I want for choosing not to play.
I feel like the FPM community has championed this sort of imbalance like it's somehow noble to play from a disadvantaged position. If that's the case would it be just as honorable to play on a football field where one team only needs to push 30 yards instead of 50? Or a soccer field where one net is half the size of the other?
We should be tolerating imbalance because it's created by the map, not celebrating it like it's some good thing to have.
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someone just needs to make a map with the gases on both sides of main, and the mineral patch out of reach of abuse nuke range. and the chokes made more even. kind of like bbalmu but with the gas made like our western map. would be awesome. no one can do that? really?
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i think fainer has made a map like that, maybe he can show us. ill talk to him.
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If you want people to join this league get over people picking their race. Better yet get over people not wanting to play horribly disadvantaged races. Talking about attracting new players as if there are hidden pubs who could actually be competitive with ppl in this league playing 1v1 fastest for a decade. If FlaSh played this upcoming season he would probably not win playing only R. Point being the mandatory RvR culture makes an already difficult league to join 3x harder.
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Lol MrKaon . LT is totally different from Fastest.
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Exactly, especially 1v1 fastest is completely its own thing with unique build and strats for each race. And you expect these new league players to learn these builds/strats for three races? Against people who have played these matchups for 5+ years? Mirror match's are the only real 1v1's on fastest which ironically you can never play in this rvr league
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all you need to do is download a few replays to learn the builds. people are just too lazy to learn the builds.
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Let's get real, No1 is new to sc every1 has been playing this more than 5 years or they came back from a 5 year break. Doesn't matter if they are from a league or not they have been playing this game since day 1. Everyone knows the build or they don't know how to move fast enough on those keyboard. Lol My brother and I been playing sc from day 1 and we both still suck We know the build. I like to fool around He just a noob I always go 1v2 vs him and my cousin. Some people still don't get it or don't care to get good they just play for fun. People also Smurf and say they new to sc but that's a lie, no new comers would come play an old game it's one in a million they might be new.
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actually you are wrong, there's tons of new folks. most came from sc2 when remastered got released. ive seen youtubers who have neve rplayed sc1 now playing because remastered was out. your theory is totally inaccurate. there are many new players these days. lol
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lol No im right, they played sc1 before sc2. Lol I should know, I always smurf. I had what's his name that made those ugl replays on youtube I forget his name but he was in that Pokemon clan. I always told him I seen your replays on youtube and I started playing sc and he actually believed me and tell me come join ugl.
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I know a couple guys that always Smurf like me. Miles aka Ewwyourface. Brad aka Water[god] Bryce aka Pro]dawns. Chad Raging-teatime etc etc
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nope. you're totally wrong. lots of new people, they just play low money and bgh mostly and ums.
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I played 2000-2007 only fastest and came back in the last year, no I do not know the builds for terran and I'm not about to start playing this choke and pray to win 40% zerg. And i'm certainly not going to get raped 95/100 times with those races to learn them just so I can only get raped 65/100 times because those races suck on this map anyway. Honestly it wouldn't be that bad if pvr/rvr still resulted in mirror 1/3 times, but how it is now pvr/rvr guarantees an unbalanced game
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Lol Scoope is it your First time playing BW? BW was always Ums, and low money. Don't be fool'd by these "new" comers. They have always been here. It's an 1998 game it's very rare to see new gamers. A new gamer would be around 12 years old. Every1 use to play Diablo SC Warcraft Dungeon Keeper counter strike . etc etc
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ok dude, you are too stupid. you think that with blizzard releasing a remaster that literally NO ONE new would come and play? there are millions of people who have never played sc and are now giving it a shot. you are really dumb to think there are 0 new players. lmfao! bro just quit.
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I used to follow the stream of winter on sc2 and he had never played sc1 before, and I watched the stream where he tried it out for the first time and he kept on playing it. so youre here to tell me he was lying that he actually played sc1 before? lmfao.....ok, whatever you think smart guy. ^^
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Lmao,I'm stupid? dude you're fucking retarded it's an 1998 game of course that goofy kid played sc1 before sc2. Do you always believe what you see on the internet ? it's called common sense. He played sc1 years ago then got into sc2 then back into sc1 because they changed graphics. Lol get real bud you don't know what you're talking about. It's an old game. anyways keep thinking that there's new people .
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same old people same old bullshit same old sc.
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lol "do you believe everything you see on the internet", Do you think everything on the internet is fake? youre exceptionally thick to think that not a single soul would play a game from 1998 never having played it before. arguing with u is like talking to a brick wall. ur so thick headed and dense that it gives me a headache, just stfu u neandertal please go to school or something. youre a total fuckwit lmao
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That's because I don't believe in bullshit, unlike you. I am done school, sorry bud I'm step a head of you.
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Wow i just got home and i read everything and i stil can't believe how stupid and toxic this sniper.score known as FiRe.uuB is :)) for me this is mindfuck, how can he say that you can learn the build with 3 races pretty fast just by watching some reps ....... and he thinks they made starcraft Remastered for new players, like i said and always will this guy has reached he's full potential he knows shit about this game .
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maFi, you have 0 potential. you get 15-0ed by network, lol. u suck. anyway bing I refuse to believe ur that stupid, go back to school moron.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/broodwar/comments/6vvblq/is_scremastered_a_good_place_for_a_new_player_to/
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so I guess theyre all making that post up? theyre really not new to sc. roflllllllllllllllll.......
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There are new players to starcraft but my guess is they're playing the 1v1 ranked system. Ive seen countless of them in public games where people start gas or something crazy like evolution chambers or engineering bay 2 mins into the game. Shockingly I found a buddy of mine who i met on a different game playing remastered a few days ago. Noticed it from discord cause it usually says what game people are playing. Asked him if he wanted to play and sure enough he was new to the game, like legit has no idea what he was doing.
Being good at starcraft takes countless hours and on top of that you really need to play consistently to maintain that skill level. And that is assuming you already know build orders, counter builds/units to specific things you see or that you don't see when playing against someone. Starcraft is a very complex game it's not just a thinking game it's a very heavy mechanical dependent game.
To expect noobs to reach our skill level in a matter of weeks by only watching replays is asking for a lot. Ive been playing starcraft for 3 months now, its been 3 months since I came back and just now I'm feeling like i finally unrusted. It wasn't like 20 games a week of gameplay, it was literally over 100 games a week, about 4-5 hours daily 5 days out of the week of non stop gaming. Now i feel like I can maintain this skill level if all i do is play a few hours a week and THAT'S because Ive been playing starcraft on and off for over a decade.
Starcraft is a hard game. You just don't realize it until you quit for a few years and attempt to come back. Most of you who have reached X level don't notice cause you play a few games here and there to maintain your skill level. Reaching that skill experience in a short period of time for sure is a difficult task without any guidance.
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yea that may be true, but when I was noob I didn't know at all what I was doing until I joined vgt and download some reps of mafia.hash, then I went on and beat a lot of top players in my first season simply by copying and pasting builds. its not really that hard to learn as many people think.
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Lmao scope you're stupid, Believe what you want. These "new" comers aren't fooling me. It's like COD or halo you start playing the first one then you move to the 2nd 3rd 4th etc. They just forget how to play because they play sc2 which is totally different so they use I'm new show me how to play. Lol Like look at game ratio it's still the same as before the remastered just more Koreans running around because we joined servers. Sorry bro, I'm ready for retirement no more school for me.
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PuMa is right, maybe there are some new players not manny tho, don't think there are a lot of them, but the meaning of REMASTERED is for the reviving of old starcraft and for the old players to comeback for sure the newcomers are a bonus good for the game and for the Developer selling it that's all.
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Mafi, stfu.... fucking loser.
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Chandler why do you even bother to put your 2 cents in every thread when you are not revelant (not even fucking close to even being average) or never will be revelant in sc or bw? Someone who never played this game EVER could literally buy it, play for 3 months then be just as good or better than you. I’m not even exaggerating at all. Pathetic really....
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Teal just called someone a “fucking loser”. He’s getting banned for the season now right???
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Chandler why do you even bother to put your 2 cents in every thread when you are not revelant (not even fucking close to even being average) or never will be revelant in sc or bw? Someone who never played this game EVER could literally buy it, play for 3 months then be just as good or better than you. I’m not even exaggerating at all. Pathetic really....
This ^