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NEWS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS => News => Topic started by: LivE.SworD on September 17, 2019, 12:30:06 am
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As usual there will be a top 4 tournament for the winner of SCW13:
#1 vs Winner(#2 vs Winner(#3 vs #4))
Finals will be bo9, all other matches will be bo7.
After this season, I will be discontinuing SCW, due to lack of interest and activity. Some time in the future if there is real interest in running a season maybe we can give it a try, but right now unfortunately I don't think its there.
We had a good run; thirteen seasons of some of the most high-level play that FMP has seen in any league. Thanks to everyone who has kept this going, you know who you are. Its been an extraordinary experience running this show. I'll be throwing in an extra $75 for #3 spot in 1v1 this season to encourage this season to give us one more round of some decent games.
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saddens me to see this point has been reached, but it is a harsh reality that interest has been at its lowest ever for a while now. Both UGL and SCW had a beautiful run.
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It's been a good run gentlemen. Cheers
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fucking evils, pablos and ghost clans of the fmp community.
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RIP..
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And the tonygs.. that did nothing to make the league active
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pfft, i participated in basically every season
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Have to say thanks for Sword , thanks for players who made it active. Sad to see in last seasons people more interested to keep their points safe instead make the league active. I saw lot of players (in the actual top 20) dodge me when i'm not even top level , really sad behaviours some shit personalities who prefer bm new players than encourage them to make the community bigger. Guys forgot anyone started with noob levels. Again thanks for all guys who made it possible and gave us some hype.
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Thanks sword.
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pfft, i participated in basically every season
Tonyg. Possible the biggest let down in scw history
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I hate dodgers, and it's unfortunate ... that scw ends up because of them ... I personally went online 1 week day and night looking to play, I only got one or two games. For the whole day of waiting I got bored of waiting for me to play only once a day ... where are the top players? come back damn do they fear the koreans ???
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pfft, i participated in basically every season
Tonyg. Possible the biggest let down in scw history
1v1 sc2 !
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I've noticed SCR activity slowly declining in general lately, not just SCW. August and September have been particularly slow. Could have something to do with end of summer or any number of factors.
SCR is still in active development and hopefully future patches will attract more users. They have some exciting features in store.
I recently reached out to Blizzard again regarding sponsorship, but they currently don't have the resources available (they just approved a large sum of money for BSL), but said they want to keep in touch. Blizzard is truely fascinated and enthused about these community ran leagues and are working on tools to make them easier for us to manage.
I think you should continue to have regular seasons for fun, even if there isn't necessarily a cash value prize pool. Ladders are always fun to climb and compete in. Also, we could have a weekly $5-10 lottery/raffle for active participants (BSL does this), at least until activity picks up again.
Either way, your league and your decision. :)
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I think it's still a good idea to have the league seasons even if there are no prizes. I'm gonna keep training and hope someone starts some kind of SCR league season. I'm a noob but i'll continue to be active.
-Sully
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oh no.. one more season almost pls :), i think with this notice players back....................... do not give up sword.......
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Don't be afraid of Koreans.
You can do well if you study and study.
If you want to be good at it, you can learn from someone who is good at it so that you can improve even more.
I would like to thank Sword for opening the league.
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Ppl arent afraid, they just dont want to invest hours into hours for nothing. Its a videogame. Not a job.... you cant negelect reallige for some videogame and esp if it doesnt bring you any income
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Dont listen to Teal. He can only play 2's and with protoss. He is noob player
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Ppl arent afraid, they just dont want to invest hours into hours for nothing. Its a videogame. Not a job.... you cant negelect reallige for some videogame and esp if it doesnt bring you any income
There are some people who are afraid of the Koreans because they can't beat them. But at the same time only a few people have bothered learning new things to help with beating them.
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Prediction
GoldSCV > xP-Hero 4:2
GoldSCV < J.H 3:4
J.H > Mandingo 4:0
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I would not count Cole out so easily vs Goldscv. Hes proven to be on the same skill level, if not greater than, as J.H or Goldscv. Although, without a doubt, Goldscv and J.H have definitely improved the past season or two having more experience with adapting to our strategies. In terms of raw macro and micro, both J.H and Goldscv are extremely powerful at a level not even seen during prime vgt days. But that isn't everything. Cole is a very talented gamer in terms of wits and understanding the game play. Hes beaten many skilled gamers without using his level of micro or macro but with just pure strategy, understanding his opponents gameplay, and timing. Between J.H, Goldscv, and cole, I think it will come down to the deficiencies in fastest map, adaptation of game play, and luck. Example: mid z vs t or p.
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i am going to smash these fucking cheating koreans.
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i am going to smash these fucking cheating koreans.
oke go!! i decide to win noob cole
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i am going to smash these fucking cheating koreans.
oke go!! i decide to win noob cole
!!! EPIC BATTLE SHOWDOWN COMING UP :@ !!!
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Hi Sword would u make a season No matter without money, for fun players can play..... Thankssss, I hope be like that, u can, bless.
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They should every single match up (9) for the last seasons to determinate it with balance (even pos can make it bad). I think nobody hope 4:0 only cuz 4 pvz games ....
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PLEASE NO, I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS
I just found out about SCW from a Falcon Paladin replay, and I'd love to join the league. US East is DEAD when it comes to Fastest and I'd love some competent people to play with/against, I'm not that great but I'm functional, you know?
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Its sad the league is being discontinued, I hope in some near future it would be possible to retake it!
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Don't do it sword I'm gonna be massing games when I can you know that
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Sc is a dying game... atleast in east/west/europe
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I don't think Brood War will ever completely die, it's too good of a game.
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It is like chess, a clasic
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Too bad I suck now but I'm actually stoked to play again
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I think I might be good for the future of competitive fastest map for players to start branching out to the korean map. Not the styler version but the less bugged versions like Hs, topclan or pokerface. The korean server alone has almost 5 times the amount of players the other server total combined, of which most come from the Asia server.
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season 14 crowdfunding given we shake up enough interest?
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I think I might be good for the future of competitive fastest map for players to start branching out to the korean map. Not the styler version but the less bugged versions like Hs, topclan or pokerface. The korean server alone has almost 5 times the amount of players the other server total combined, of which most come from the Asia server.
We can't play on korean servers, tho. They are used to play at TR24 every games and they will (and I understand why) kick anyone that doesnt have 5 green pings. Can't blame them, really. We can't even play at TR16 between us in West most of the times without severe lag. Not saying we NEED TR24 for fastest, tbh even TR12 is fine if its low latency, but koreans do mind a lot.
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ofc the latency is a big problem. Ive told this alot of time. When europeans come to west we got high latency...... 2 seconds is alot -.-
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I think I might be good for the future of competitive fastest map for players to start branching out to the korean map. Not the styler version but the less bugged versions like Hs, topclan or pokerface. The korean server alone has almost 5 times the amount of players the other server total combined, of which most come from the Asia server.
We can't play on korean servers, tho. They are used to play at TR24 every games and they will (and I understand why) kick anyone that doesnt have 5 green pings. Can't blame them, really. We can't even play at TR16 between us in West most of the times without severe lag. Not saying we NEED TR24 for fastest, tbh even TR12 is fine if its low latency, but koreans do mind a lot.
I've been hosting 1s and some 2s on korea with "foreigner" or "European!" in the title and people seem to be interested in playing foreigners and will overlook the ping. week and a half ago pro]Ace even played vs DoE and Shin. Just have to present yourself correctly. That aside though, most koreans aren't too kind on bad ping or foreigners
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I would not count Cole out so easily vs Goldscv. Hes proven to be on the same skill level, if not greater than, as J.H or Goldscv. Although, without a doubt, Goldscv and J.H have definitely improved the past season or two having more experience with adapting to our strategies. In terms of raw macro and micro, both J.H and Goldscv are extremely powerful at a level not even seen during prime vgt days. But that isn't everything. Cole is a very talented gamer in terms of wits and understanding the game play. Hes beaten many skilled gamers without using his level of micro or macro but with just pure strategy, understanding his opponents gameplay, and timing. Between J.H, Goldscv, and cole, I think it will come down to the deficiencies in fastest map, adaptation of game play, and luck. Example: mid z vs t or p.
New to site. old vgt player. I just watched about 10 replays each from the top 3 players and that statement about these players being better than prime vgt players is horribly inaccurate. These top 3 players wouldve been chewed up by top vgt players in its prime. I dont see the balance between tech, micro and macro that the top vgt players had. Most of what i see from these players is a tech race to counter the other player and whoever gets there first seems to win the game. Havent seen the strategical approach that prime vgt players executed.
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I would not count Cole out so easily vs Goldscv. Hes proven to be on the same skill level, if not greater than, as J.H or Goldscv. Although, without a doubt, Goldscv and J.H have definitely improved the past season or two having more experience with adapting to our strategies. In terms of raw macro and micro, both J.H and Goldscv are extremely powerful at a level not even seen during prime vgt days. But that isn't everything. Cole is a very talented gamer in terms of wits and understanding the game play. Hes beaten many skilled gamers without using his level of micro or macro but with just pure strategy, understanding his opponents gameplay, and timing. Between J.H, Goldscv, and cole, I think it will come down to the deficiencies in fastest map, adaptation of game play, and luck. Example: mid z vs t or p.
New to site. old vgt player. I just watched about 10 replays each from the top 3 players and that statement about these players being better than prime vgt players is horribly inaccurate. These top 3 players wouldve been chewed up by top vgt players in its prime. I dont see the balance between tech, micro and macro that the top vgt players had. Most of what i see from these players is a tech race to counter the other player and whoever gets there first seems to win the game. Havent seen the strategical approach that prime vgt players executed.
You must have been a pub because you don't know what you're talking about. Put any top VGT player up against GoldSCV, J.H, or xp-hero and they would get destroyed.
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I would not count Cole out so easily vs Goldscv. Hes proven to be on the same skill level, if not greater than, as J.H or Goldscv. Although, without a doubt, Goldscv and J.H have definitely improved the past season or two having more experience with adapting to our strategies. In terms of raw macro and micro, both J.H and Goldscv are extremely powerful at a level not even seen during prime vgt days. But that isn't everything. Cole is a very talented gamer in terms of wits and understanding the game play. Hes beaten many skilled gamers without using his level of micro or macro but with just pure strategy, understanding his opponents gameplay, and timing. Between J.H, Goldscv, and cole, I think it will come down to the deficiencies in fastest map, adaptation of game play, and luck. Example: mid z vs t or p.
New to site. old vgt player. I just watched about 10 replays each from the top 3 players and that statement about these players being better than prime vgt players is horribly inaccurate. These top 3 players wouldve been chewed up by top vgt players in its prime. I dont see the balance between tech, micro and macro that the top vgt players had. Most of what i see from these players is a tech race to counter the other player and whoever gets there first seems to win the game. Havent seen the strategical approach that prime vgt players executed.
Hydra[VcK] came back in UGL and completely unrusted. Cole/Kokanee/Vanz beat him like 90% of the time. In revival of SCD season 19-26 Kelevran and Khai couldnt match up against Cole. Over time xQ.Silence/Tyga and Defjam came close to Cole's level but if you were to make them play 100 games Cole would come out on top 60-40 or better without a doubt. Then in UGL Hardy and Hydra played pretty well but had a bad record or even record against the current UGL top: Cole, Defjam, Tyga, Dawei, Jake/Omni, Kon, Matt(only on p).
Then LovelyRabbit, a Korean, hopped over and pretty much dominated barring Cole, Defjam and Tyga. Cole went 50/50 against him, Defjam and Tyga about 45/55 or 40/60. Then Biggame and Uplus came over and they smashed everyone but the before mentioned three. Then UGL ended and SCW started. REAL korean gosus then came over and absolutely destroyed everyone. Korean fastest streamer Shin destroyed people with terrible spots and match up, Korean ex-pro Brain/Sea.kh beat EVERYONE in 10 minutes or less going for retarded aggressive builds, even Defjam, Tyga and Hardy got smoked. He was on a level not even Quang in his peak or at his max potential could win a series against on BW.
Then there's Koreans like Thanks.. who is one of the lesser Koreans but still an absolute monster. J.H. who is currently the best player in SCW. Cole and GoldSCV sligtly behind on him, GoldSCV slightly better than Cole but barely. The micro and multitasking and specificity of focus and build the koreans have is on another level to the point everyone is FORCED to adapt or copy things if they want to keep up.
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All of that seems pretty accurate except where are the reps of Cole vs hydra or kelevran? I know he beat khai and hardy. Dinko aka gohan was also a beast in his prime beating an untrusted kelevran in a series where he was mid z and beating hydra fairly easily. Monte and evil should be part of that list too. Monte beat hardy and hydra in every series they had. Evil has beaten defjam in series.
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All of that seems pretty accurate except where are the reps of Cole vs hydra or kelevran? I know he beat khai and hardy. Dinko aka gohan was also a beast in his prime beating an untrusted kelevran in a series where he was mid z and beating hydra fairly easily. Monte and evil should be part of that list too. Monte beat hardy and hydra in every series they had. Evil has beaten defjam in series.
IIRC Hydra & Kelevran sets were played off season. But that's something I've heard said from multiple people. I assume it to be true but I honestly don't know how true. I do know Hydra became significantly worse after his Map hack got detected in UGL.
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Premier, you have to put into consideriation that these koreans to this as a kulture.. I am not going any excuses here but we will never be able to keep up with them if ur not geniuin puttin more 5-6 hours of high level competition. If VGT was still active during its prime until now im sure that the koreans wouldnt have an easy task infront of them. With that being said. The koreans gift are Micro/macro. Why do you think that Blizzard made sc2 so "easy" compared to sc/bw? Exactly....... Nowhere in history has a forgeriner such as Serral beatin koreans on an ongoing slaught.
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Premier, you have to put into consideriation that these koreans to this as a kulture.. I am not going any excuses here but we will never be able to keep up with them if ur not geniuin puttin more 5-6 hours of high level competition. If VGT was still active during its prime until now im sure that the koreans wouldnt have an easy task infront of them. With that being said. The koreans gift are Micro/macro. Why do you think that Blizzard made sc2 so "easy" compared to sc/bw? Exactly....... Nowhere in history has a forgeriner such as Serral beatin koreans on an ongoing slaught.
I am putting that into consideration and you're right. I still think Korean peak is higher than Foreign peak even if ideal circumstances are met. But maybe I am wrong. And you're right about SC2. They made it a lot easier for foreigners to succeed in that than it is in BW.
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False premier, when kelevran played in scd cole wasn’t in his prime yet and wouldn’t play him. I made fun of him for seasons only playing against gravedigga. I do agree that today’s talent is far superior than back in the day. Even in 2vs2, I’ve played for 10+ years so I was around for vgt/scd and scw.
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False premier, when kelevran played in scd cole wasn’t in his prime yet and wouldn’t play him. I made fun of him for seasons only playing against gravedigga. I do agree that today’s talent is far superior than back in the day. Even in 2vs2, I’ve played for 10+ years so I was around for vgt/scd and scw.
Thanks for correcting me on Kelevran.
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Mark, we know you suck. Shat uphhh son
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Mark, we know you suck. Shat uphhh son
Been bashing you since vgt days
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Really? Look up vY.Marksucks- in the archives 😂
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dano vs mark bo7 1v1 gogo! winner gets 10 dollar and bragging rights!
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dano vs mark bo7 1v1 gogo! winner gets 10 dollar and bragging rights!
Us 2> you premier 😂. I think we can agree on that dano
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Haha.... Mark, are you rusty? 😂😂
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dano vs mark bo7 1v1 gogo! winner gets 10 dollar and bragging rights!
Us 2> you premier 😂. I think we can agree on that dano
sounds like you're running from a fight with dano here :P
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Been bashing you two for years why would I dodge either of you guys?
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i hope come scw 14
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Hi, Looking for old friends Albert + Luke one was in L]o[st_ and luke is aka cheese anybody can direct me id be grateful <3 Im Sara from many years back..
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I am from VGT days ^_^ Who remembers Dr.Andre or pimpx-gangsta? How do Pro[Gamer and Cheese aka luke stack up to todays players does anyone know? Anyone remember as far back as Slayer)s ??
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I am from VGT days ^_^ Who remembers Dr.Andre or pimpx-gangsta? How do Pro[Gamer and Cheese aka luke stack up to todays players does anyone know? Anyone remember as far back as Slayer)s ??
Luke would probably be able to hold his own against most barring the current top players. Current top is better than VGT top.
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Does Luke still play? Anyone know where hes @ now days or have his FB? Did he ever come back to SC? So many questions from my childhood where all the community went / ended up ^_^
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As far as I know he hasn't played since late VGT. I am sure some others know his FB and stuff.
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If anyone else can help point me in the direction pls <3
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im back after being inactive for 10 years lmao. i came back about 6 years ago for a 2 months of ugl or so.. ihave been in almost every top clan back in the day and i will be pretty active now.. plz try and keep the leauge going. ill bring friends.
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I am from VGT days ^_^ Who remembers Dr.Andre or pimpx-gangsta? How do Pro[Gamer and Cheese aka luke stack up to todays players does anyone know? Anyone remember as far back as Slayer)s ??
hate-andre vs (XC)KeFu01 was a good battle when west vs east first started happening. apparently legend(slayer) recently started playing again. people still use cheese's openings today.
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Unfortunate news.
Sword, what do you think is the reason why the league hasn't taken off as much as you would like it to?
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I think I might be good for the future of competitive fastest map for players to start branching out to the korean map. Not the styler version but the less bugged versions like Hs, topclan or pokerface. The korean server alone has almost 5 times the amount of players the other server total combined, of which most come from the Asia server.
I can't sit here and say it would take off 100% but I agree with you.
People are too stuck on the past. One thing i do know, korean version of fastest is a much more balanced and arguably funner map. Ive been playing this map consistently for about a year now and going back to our fastest is painfully hard to play. It's too much of a gamble. Yes, you could win in middle spots, but all of us can agree that their is a HUGE disadvantage that shouldn't exist especially on a game like sc that is more or less as balanced is going to get.
Not going to lie, first 2-3 months is a bit tedious trying to learn but after you adjust, it's surprisingly more enjoyable.
I think part of the reason people don't want to change is because of their ego. They are afraid of loosing or tainting their reputation. I get it, thats fine. Smurf around for 1-2 months on super map, try it, learn it. I think most people would have a very difficult time coming back to the map we have been playing for the last decade.
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Hi, Looking for old friends Albert + Luke one was in L]o[st_ and luke is aka cheese anybody can direct me id be grateful <3 Im Sara from many years back..
Albert gets on every once in a while, but about a year ago he was starting a nursing program, so I doubt we'll see him anytime soon. I don't think Cheese has been on at all since UGL came back.
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I want make a tournament prize 100 USD, just player top can play thats tournament.
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I think there is a problem. When I click "join league" it says: There are no active leagues at this time.
o.O
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[Season is over. quote author=La.h1pp13 link=topic=900.msg12903#msg12903 date=1602538934]
I think there is a problem. When I click "join league" it says: There are no active leagues at this time.
o.O
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I'm down to put up 100$ for a bigger cash prize,
Make a donation let me know who to send it to lol...
Don't let this league die man cmon people..
I've been practicing y'all shoulda practice..
If u got excuses why u can't get better idk..
But I'm down with w.e to make this more interesting..
Like I said even throwing in 100$ maby more..
Where the real players at... Not them inactive ones
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I'm down to put up 100$ for a bigger cash prize,
Make a donation let me know who to send it to lol...
Don't let this league die man cmon people..
I've been practicing y'all shoulda practice..
If u got excuses why u can't get better idk..
But I'm down with w.e to make this more interesting..
Like I said even throwing in 100$ maby more..
Where the real players at... Not them inactive ones
o.O
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And TonyG is a saint how dare you!!