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Author Topic: GanGstEr]Biggie is map hacking, Don't play him.  (Read 73765 times)

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Re: GanGstEr]Biggie is map hacking, Don't play him.
« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2018, 05:32:45 am »
Thanks for the report. I'll take a closer look later but based on the replays I did watch, there is a lot more work to be done if you want to establish that he's hacking. Statistically speaking, the evidence is not very strong. He scouts like that (chokes only) when hes facing Protoss as well, and some games, he doesn't find his opponent until the very last scout (e.g. https://www.starcraftworld.net/download.php?item=replay&gid=845&l=1&season=37)

Examples are never evidence of anything, because when you have such a large pool of replays, confirmation bias will always lead you to find examples of what you are trying to prove. Instead, you need to make claims backed up with numbers that would demonstrate that the chance of him doing what he's doing without hacking is statistically impossible. For example, something such as "when hes terran and facing zerg, he scouts chokes only 80% of the time, but when hes facing protoss he does that only 20% of the time" or "even without clues (such as seeing a scout), he finds his opponent within the first 2 scouts most of the time, when he would expect that to be the case 2/7 of the time". Neither of these are true. If you do find something like this, do let me know.

Human intuition, especially when dealing with probability, is subject to many cognitive biases. You must avoid the temptation to draw conclusions prematurely and approach it from a dispassionate, statistical perspective.
Well, if you want to talk probability, he only has like a 14% chance of scouting correctly, the fact that he's done it more than double that percentage for 1/3 of his games is sufficient proof. If you want to pretend like it isn't, you're basically telling everyone it's okay to hack. I watched the first minute of all his reps and I'm 100% sure he hacks, I'd bet my life on it. One can only imagine what I'd find if i watched all of them all the way through. I guarantee he would be intercepting drop ships he had no prior vision of. I haven't even watched past 1 minute and I'm sure he'll do shit like this because I've played hackers before.

Edit: In Fact even if you only had replay 1101 to go off of as evidence, it would be sufficient proof. He only scouted half a choke then went straight to me. He would have had to had prior knowledge of my race to justify scouting just a choke. Which he did, because he's map hacking. lol

I know this is just a video game but if you let injustices slip by like this here, there's no telling what biggie might think he can get away with in the real world. By condoning cheating you're actually making the world worse. Injustice perpetuates injustice. "Well, if it's okay for him to hack, I guess it's okay for me to hack." You let this go, and you have a league full of fake winners. Awesome.

well, it is ok to hack actually... i just wonder if anybody would ever care about a hacker from a league of noobs that nobody knows

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Re: GanGstEr]Biggie is map hacking, Don't play him.
« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2018, 12:55:22 pm »
Thanks for the report. I'll take a closer look later but based on the replays I did watch, there is a lot more work to be done if you want to establish that he's hacking. Statistically speaking, the evidence is not very strong. He scouts like that (chokes only) when hes facing Protoss as well, and some games, he doesn't find his opponent until the very last scout (e.g. https://www.starcraftworld.net/download.php?item=replay&gid=845&l=1&season=37)

Examples are never evidence of anything, because when you have such a large pool of replays, confirmation bias will always lead you to find examples of what you are trying to prove. Instead, you need to make claims backed up with numbers that would demonstrate that the chance of him doing what he's doing without hacking is statistically impossible. For example, something such as "when hes terran and facing zerg, he scouts chokes only 80% of the time, but when hes facing protoss he does that only 20% of the time" or "even without clues (such as seeing a scout), he finds his opponent within the first 2 scouts most of the time, when he would expect that to be the case 2/7 of the time". Neither of these are true. If you do find something like this, do let me know.

Human intuition, especially when dealing with probability, is subject to many cognitive biases. You must avoid the temptation to draw conclusions prematurely and approach it from a dispassionate, statistical perspective.
Well, if you want to talk probability, he only has like a 14% chance of scouting correctly, the fact that he's done it more than double that percentage for 1/3 of his games is sufficient proof. If you want to pretend like it isn't, you're basically telling everyone it's okay to hack. I watched the first minute of all his reps and I'm 100% sure he hacks, I'd bet my life on it. One can only imagine what I'd find if i watched all of them all the way through. I guarantee he would be intercepting drop ships he had no prior vision of. I haven't even watched past 1 minute and I'm sure he'll do shit like this because I've played hackers before.

Edit: In Fact even if you only had replay 1101 to go off of as evidence, it would be sufficient proof. He only scouted half a choke then went straight to me. He would have had to had prior knowledge of my race to justify scouting just a choke. Which he did, because he's map hacking. lol

I know this is just a video game but if you let injustices slip by like this here, there's no telling what biggie might think he can get away with in the real world. By condoning cheating you're actually making the world worse. Injustice perpetuates injustice. "Well, if it's okay for him to hack, I guess it's okay for me to hack." You let this go, and you have a league full of fake winners. Awesome.

well, it is ok to hack actually... i just wonder if anybody would ever care about a hacker from a league of noobs that nobody knows
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SCW Season 57
Location: Op UGL@USWEST
Open: Dec 12 - Jan 25
1v1
RankPlayerRecord
1 hnahagPO22-5
2 HoGoo`Hero-69-65
3 GanGsteR]LeBaBy24-8
4 KoRoOsTeR36-24
5 L-Mx]MiMeTiC24-14

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3 LeGenD]HyDrA33-10
4 MAFIA]`ThaNaToZ33-13
5 MAFIA]`Don~34-15


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