Best FMP Players?

[RJBTV]

Ryoji would still be great if he played. And back when everyone only played ppvpp he was the goat. You couldn’t join xS. Without learning ppvpp so he taught everyone in that clan how to be great at 2s. Made me inny ppvpp with him and the clan everyday for a month before joining lol he took it seriously.

Being someone that had a chance to play through all the eras,

SCD - entity covered it and knew best, he ran it

VGT times
Kelevran
Hydra
Marine
Sin/flash

Those four ran shit in 1s - Jinchuriki, hash, hardy, and many other great players were very good but beatable. The other four you were lucky to pull a game off of.

Early UGL times
Cole

List ends there. Kokanee was on a different level than everyone else on OG. Knew every timing perfectly, great macro, played cautious. Most people couldn’t win a game off him. When I started getting wins off of him I was much better than everyone else in the league at the time who was active aside from lovelyrabbit. I didn’t stay around too long when I was a top player though. Missed a lot of seasons

And now from my experience after my 3-4 month comeback scw is Koreans and hydra above everyone with nobody close. Dingo, evil, Jose, Cole all great but not as good as the Koreans or Tom from what I see now. Lot of good memories on this game.

Khai was the one who showed up biggest in tournaments though. The chosen tournaments that actually made their way to completion, Khai beat all note worthy players of the time in those and won. But he failed to adapt in later years after VGT when the meta started to show signs of shifting. Kelevran had the same issue.

How would you rate the players of that era against for example present day WhiteAndBlack or Hydra?

[xS.Jake]

Khai was great and a friend of mine. I did win off him here and there when I wasn’t a top player though. Same with hash. I think the players I mentioned were all skilled enough to become great in this time if they kept playing. They were top players for a reason. However the level of play has increased since VGT times. I remember when I came back after vgt and played cole I realized he took the game to a new level back then. I don’t think the level of competition has gotten too much better since the beginning of ugl though. Players like hydra (I haven’t played blackandwhite) are now at the same spot as the way cole was when he was super active and ran OG. Timings perfect, speed, macro, micro and super creative as well. I didn’t play for eight years, played two seasons and was able to be very competitive with top players even never playing brood war. I was only a top player for a short time before that eight year hiatus and was still able to come back and relearn the game in a 3 month span. Although that was enough to beat a majority of the league especially in a series, it wasn’t enough to beat the hydras and Jose’s left on this game. These guys have played for a long time and have been active enough over the years to constantly improve.
If people came back - say kelevran or sin, they’d take months to get to the level hydra is at if not a year + of steady gaming in my opinion.

[Yris(Villain)]

There were 2 great players on US East when I was there, I think.

vS. dude named Duy and Tank)S( / Drug)S(

I wonder who were they on US West on the competitive leagues 🤔

Marine)S( left and went US West but he was also a big player left on East.

[Think-Fast]

Vs.singy I think was duy. Ya he was pretty good

[drandre]

I am. I am the greatest FMP and Starcraft player of all time. I'm the best at everything. Running, Monopoly, Counter Strike, Starcraft, Chess, Gin Rummy, Poker, Fighting, Shopping, Watching Movies, LOL

Ryoji would still be great if he played. And back when everyone only played ppvpp he was the goat. You couldn’t join xS. Without learning ppvpp so he taught everyone in that clan how to be great at 2s. Made me inny ppvpp with him and the clan everyday for a month before joining lol he took it seriously.

Being someone that had a chance to play through all the eras,

SCD - entity covered it and knew best, he ran it

VGT times
Kelevran
Hydra
Marine
Sin/flash

Those four ran shit in 1s - Jinchuriki, hash, hardy, and many other great players were very good but beatable. The other four you were lucky to pull a game off of.

Early UGL times
Cole

List ends there. Kokanee was on a different level than everyone else on OG. Knew every timing perfectly, great macro, played cautious. Most people couldn’t win a game off him. When I started getting wins off of him I was much better than everyone else in the league at the time who was active aside from lovelyrabbit. I didn’t stay around too long when I was a top player though. Missed a lot of seasons

And now from my experience after my 3-4 month comeback scw is Koreans and hydra above everyone with nobody close. Dingo, evil, Jose, Cole all great but not as good as the Koreans or Tom from what I see now. Lot of good memories on this game.

[drandre]

Edit

Joe r u saying cheese was Korean?  Luke was the whitest guy ever

[Yris(Villain)]

All I know is I was dodging drops and stack attacking on this game since I was 13-14 years old.

If I get out of homelessness and onto this game again, I’ll easily become a top player if I mass games 😂

[Patriotic.Newb]

Can someone talk about the VGT and SCD days?

I only know about SCZ

So I'm mostly speaking on the general golden era of SCD/VGT because many of these players were no longer as active anymore but shortly after there was a huge dominant wave of mafia and Pro players that I'm honestly not too familiar with, so I'm focusing more on 2004-2010. There was so much talent and some players would have their prime come and go after a dominant season or two but when I think about the players who could consistently win across all of those years I divide it into 2 main categories, 1v1 and 2v2.

The first and only person that really comes to mind when I think of king of 2v2 is Ryoji. Him and the squad around him were usually so far ahead of everyone else it wasn't even close during this time. There was a brief time (when I created the 2v2 league FGt) that L]o[sT was not only able to compete but consistently beat them but overall I would say Ryoji, BeeF, uNiT & eViL (Renegade/Paul) across all of these years. This was usually clan Xp/xG and I'm pretty sure even a few of them joined L]o[sT. 2HoT and wiLdChild were solid in game and out and they usually cornered 2v2s with whoever was on their roster. 

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La.ProGamer: was the only person during this era to not only win multiple SCD/VGT seasons but he did it back to back to back over and over. He was one of the most dominant players of his time and had an insane win rate. Many players hated and didn't respect him because he would be completely fine cheesing for 3 hours if he had to but he was one of the most determined winners we ever had hands down.

HasH: I don't think he needs much of an introduction but he was one of the handful of players who was incredibly dominant in 1v1s and 2v2s during this time. I had him and ProGamer in La together (Along with Hunter/Avenger/AssCobra/Cheese etc.) but they could not co-exist so HasH left and created MaFia which obviously went on to be one of the best clans of all time.

Avenger aka gM.shift: This kid came out of no where and was god tier, we debated for years about who's smurf this was because of how quickly he became a top player but that debate was mostly so hot because he also refused to lose and was one of the few people to take games off ProGamer for a few months.

bObA: Will is timeless and he was someone who would come back after being inactive for a year+ and would still be able to win. As far as seasonal wins go he might have had the largest gap from winning earlier FMP leagues and coming back just destroying SCD10 too. I don't know if anyone else had win's that spaced out.

MonGo: creative player with incredible mechanics. Widely regarding as a top player when he was active.

HyDrA: I feel like I don't even need to mention Tom here because it's so obvious but he is the GOAT. Controversial as can be back then, got caught hacking but ultimately showed that wasn't the reason why he was so good.

Cheese: Luke is similar to bObA when it comes to his reign but he was even more of a name and more dominant when he was around. Whenever we would host big tournaments like Calvino's All-Star tournament (Which BTW have the active users on this site seen that montage because I could upload it if it's not online anymore) we would always have to make sure we contacted Luke and Will (bObA) because without them in it the title wouldn't mean as much honestly. Also because Calvino was heavily biased towards his BW boys and wanted them to win it all lol.

Super]Marine: This kid was insane. He was a more shameless version of Stalife. He was almost as creative and flashy but where Stalife would just say "Fuck it" and leave a game when it became a turtlefest Marine would continue to play and usually win. Too many people forget how good this EU kid was because he wasn't involved in drama or grinding the ladder all the time.

Stalife: He was so gifted while at the same time being unquestionably the most entertaining player to watch. He would do crazy shit that shouldn't work and make it work because of his micro. He realized his talents catered more in non-money maps and he started competing and focusing more on that after SC2 was announced but he would always be around and compete with the best in the high profile leagues and tournaments. Stalife went on and made some waves in the SC2 professional community with HasH too.

HyDrA, HasH and Stalife IIRC we're also all chosen by our community to represent us in the TeamLiquid showmatch, FMP vs BGH. TL obviously didn't respect FMP at all and said it would be easy, we divided the maps up split between FMP/BGH style maps and we ended up winning because while our GOATs we're able to take games off them in low-money they could not literally touch any of them on FMP. It was a pretty huge deal and legitimized our community and it attracted more interest in the league.

Honorable mentions to the early kings of USEast before the leagues existed like Phantom (He did win SCD1 though), KoreaN[BF] (Honestly he should probably be on the main list, also SCD6 winner), KeFu (Won SCD5), TeMpLaR etc... Also BrooKLyN I love and miss you hope you're living your best life buddy.

Happy you mentioned Paul. He was the single greatest player of FMP in my opinion. Never got the credit deserved because he was mostly low key and didn't play flashy or league much.
Most know him by Qaa

[Ridd1cK!]

What a great read and a blast from the past.  I was a nobody and picked toss/ played nr20’ till Vgt but couldn’t hold a candle to theses guys.  The top 5, top 10 top 15 was some of the best back then.  I remember climbing the rankings and being excited to even hit the top 20 and realizing the skill lvl in the top 15 yet the top 5 or really I should say the top 3 were damn near untouched compared to the rest.  Hash was definitely a beast but I remember seeing hydra and him 1v1  20+ games and Tom would make his seem ez when hash was definitely not.. I definitely miss the old days, wish I would’ve gotten into it sooner. Miss all the gosus. La.woots was also killing it, he was probably 8th-10th place but dude was smart and he’s the first person I played that gassed sooner than everyone in Zerg vs Terran and when he was massing me TvsP he was the first person I saw mass turrets with his push going middle. Wish some of the greats would come back ha

[Patriotic.Newb]

djorkaeff and NouR were two of the highest level players to ever grace FMP ever.

[Patriotic.Newb]

Can someone talk about the VGT and SCD days?

I only know about SCZ

So I'm mostly speaking on the general golden era of SCD/VGT because many of these players were no longer as active anymore but shortly after there was a huge dominant wave of mafia and Pro players that I'm honestly not too familiar with, so I'm focusing more on 2004-2010. There was so much talent and some players would have their prime come and go after a dominant season or two but when I think about the players who could consistently win across all of those years I divide it into 2 main categories, 1v1 and 2v2.

The first and only person that really comes to mind when I think of king of 2v2 is Ryoji. Him and the squad around him were usually so far ahead of everyone else it wasn't even close during this time. There was a brief time (when I created the 2v2 league FGt) that L]o[sT was not only able to compete but consistently beat them but overall I would say Ryoji, BeeF, uNiT & eViL (Renegade/Paul) across all of these years. This was usually clan Xp/xG and I'm pretty sure even a few of them joined L]o[sT. 2HoT and wiLdChild were solid in game and out and they usually cornered 2v2s with whoever was on their roster. 

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La.ProGamer: was the only person during this era to not only win multiple SCD/VGT seasons but he did it back to back to back over and over. He was one of the most dominant players of his time and had an insane win rate. Many players hated and didn't respect him because he would be completely fine cheesing for 3 hours if he had to but he was one of the most determined winners we ever had hands down.

HasH: I don't think he needs much of an introduction but he was one of the handful of players who was incredibly dominant in 1v1s and 2v2s during this time. I had him and ProGamer in La together (Along with Hunter/Avenger/AssCobra/Cheese etc.) but they could not co-exist so HasH left and created MaFia which obviously went on to be one of the best clans of all time.

Avenger aka gM.shift: This kid came out of no where and was god tier, we debated for years about who's smurf this was because of how quickly he became a top player but that debate was mostly so hot because he also refused to lose and was one of the few people to take games off ProGamer for a few months.

bObA: Will is timeless and he was someone who would come back after being inactive for a year+ and would still be able to win. As far as seasonal wins go he might have had the largest gap from winning earlier FMP leagues and coming back just destroying SCD10 too. I don't know if anyone else had win's that spaced out.

MonGo: creative player with incredible mechanics. Widely regarding as a top player when he was active.

HyDrA: I feel like I don't even need to mention Tom here because it's so obvious but he is the GOAT. Controversial as can be back then, got caught hacking but ultimately showed that wasn't the reason why he was so good.

Cheese: Luke is similar to bObA when it comes to his reign but he was even more of a name and more dominant when he was around. Whenever we would host big tournaments like Calvino's All-Star tournament (Which BTW have the active users on this site seen that montage because I could upload it if it's not online anymore) we would always have to make sure we contacted Luke and Will (bObA) because without them in it the title wouldn't mean as much honestly. Also because Calvino was heavily biased towards his BW boys and wanted them to win it all lol.

Super]Marine: This kid was insane. He was a more shameless version of Stalife. He was almost as creative and flashy but where Stalife would just say "Fuck it" and leave a game when it became a turtlefest Marine would continue to play and usually win. Too many people forget how good this EU kid was because he wasn't involved in drama or grinding the ladder all the time.

Stalife: He was so gifted while at the same time being unquestionably the most entertaining player to watch. He would do crazy shit that shouldn't work and make it work because of his micro. He realized his talents catered more in non-money maps and he started competing and focusing more on that after SC2 was announced but he would always be around and compete with the best in the high profile leagues and tournaments. Stalife went on and made some waves in the SC2 professional community with HasH too.

HyDrA, HasH and Stalife IIRC we're also all chosen by our community to represent us in the TeamLiquid showmatch, FMP vs BGH. TL obviously didn't respect FMP at all and said it would be easy, we divided the maps up split between FMP/BGH style maps and we ended up winning because while our GOATs we're able to take games off them in low-money they could not literally touch any of them on FMP. It was a pretty huge deal and legitimized our community and it attracted more interest in the league.

Honorable mentions to the early kings of USEast before the leagues existed like Phantom (He did win SCD1 though), KoreaN[BF] (Honestly he should probably be on the main list, also SCD6 winner), KeFu (Won SCD5), TeMpLaR etc... Also BrooKLyN I love and miss you hope you're living your best life buddy.

Rich, wasn't Saik (Javi) ProGamer(Rodry)'s little brother in RL?

[JoesCastyCasts]

Still call out misplaced pylons as Nourlons lol if you know you know

[Ridd1cK!]

I never played 2v2 ppvspp because I wasn’t good enough but the 2s game back then was really great 2.  Shouldn’t forget about that

[kenny]

What a great read and a blast from the past.  I was a nobody and picked toss/ played nr20’ till Vgt but couldn’t hold a candle to theses guys.  The top 5, top 10 top 15 was some of the best back then.  I remember climbing the rankings and being excited to even hit the top 20 and realizing the skill lvl in the top 15 yet the top 5 or really I should say the top 3 were damn near untouched compared to the rest.  Hash was definitely a beast but I remember seeing hydra and him 1v1  20+ games and Tom would make his seem ez when hash was definitely not.. I definitely miss the old days, wish I would’ve gotten into it sooner. Miss all the gosus. La.woots was also killing it, he was probably 8th-10th place but dude was smart and he’s the first person I played that gassed sooner than everyone in Zerg vs Terran and when he was massing me TvsP he was the first person I saw mass turrets with his push going middle. Wish some of the greats would come back ha

aye big blud not sure if trolling or not, but either way i appreciate the love fam

[Ridd1cK!]

What a great read and a blast from the past.  I was a nobody and picked toss/ played nr20’ till Vgt but couldn’t hold a candle to theses guys.  The top 5, top 10 top 15 was some of the best back then.  I remember climbing the rankings and being excited to even hit the top 20 and realizing the skill lvl in the top 15 yet the top 5 or really I should say the top 3 were damn near untouched compared to the rest.  Hash was definitely a beast but I remember seeing hydra and him 1v1  20+ games and Tom would make his seem ez when hash was definitely not.. I definitely miss the old days, wish I would’ve gotten into it sooner. Miss all the gosus. La.woots was also killing it, he was probably 8th-10th place but dude was smart and he’s the first person I played that gassed sooner than everyone in Zerg vs Terran and when he was massing me TvsP he was the first person I saw mass turrets with his push going middle. Wish some of the greats would come back ha

aye big blud not sure if trolling or not, but either way i appreciate the love fam

naa im not. when i was starting to really get into 1v1 i knew how everyone played and then i hit like top 15 and played u and u shit on me like 10x lol i learned a lot from your gameplay. their was "standard play" and u in my opinion was better


like i remember me first hitting top 15 on the list and getting into the higher rankings finally and playing la.woots for the first time and my fast drop for terran didnt work because his mutas were so damn quick. studying the rep you went super fast gas, not the 2 hat then gas like everyone else for the gard timing.  ive always had and loved a good late game PvsT but again woots you wrecked me and sent me packing back over top 20.  i knew then not to fuck with the top 10, i remember you being #8 at that time or something.  we had such a huge and competitive group. but yes kenny, i def remember you as being better than the rest. not top 5 but def a strong fucking player