SCW61 FINALS ARE HERE! Brain vs Gomdor - Who takes the $1,000?

[Vulture]

I genuinely don’t understand why playing on a fair and balanced map hasn’t become mandatory, and why this league continues to use the same map over and over again.
We have all just witnessed that, no matter how skilled a player or team is, this map can create situations where certain games are practically impossible to win. At that point, the outcome is influenced far too much by the map rather than by skill, strategy, and performance.
I would personally be more than happy to contribute financially on a monthly basis to support the league, but I would like to see meaningful changes regarding the map and the rules. If those changes are made and the competition becomes fairer and better organized, I will gladly contribute every month.

your opinion might matter if you actually contribute anything to this league

[IcyP]

More people would quit this game if they DID change the map rather than if they didn't. You choose to play on this map then bitch about it when you lose so its your own fault.

[u5wrhwfhsfhsf]

I genuinely don’t understand why playing on a fair and balanced map hasn’t become mandatory, and why this league continues to use the same map over and over again.
We have all just witnessed that, no matter how skilled a player or team is, this map can create situations where certain games are practically impossible to win. At that point, the outcome is influenced far too much by the map rather than by skill, strategy, and performance.
I would personally be more than happy to contribute financially on a monthly basis to support the league, but I would like to see meaningful changes regarding the map and the rules. If those changes are made and the competition becomes fairer and better organized, I will gladly contribute every month.

your opinion might matter if you actually contribute anything to this league

it is a valid critique regardless of one's contribution. The map is imbalanced. That is objectively a truth. There are numerous players who decide against contributing because the map used is imbalanced, and because most of the community in SCW is extremely toxic. You enter the website and walk into a cesspool of toxicity. This league is one of the least inviting leagues in existence across almost all games across the entire board of games played competitively in the world.

Now to counter argue against my own comments, if someone cared enough about the map and the toxicity they could organize another league on their preferred map. This league does not have to change and is within its right to remain as it is. We can't demand for it to change if it functions as it is. Can things improve? certainly. Does it have to? no. Is it in the best interest of the league to not implement any changes(doesn't have to be map related)? you decide, and time will tell.

Also a lot of koreans who are legitimately good on USWEST stick to public noob bashing games because they don't have the balls to play competitively. You'll never get these to join.

[Talen7]

I genuinely don’t understand why playing on a fair and balanced map hasn’t become mandatory, and why this league continues to use the same map over and over again.
We have all just witnessed that, no matter how skilled a player or team is, this map can create situations where certain games are practically impossible to win. At that point, the outcome is influenced far too much by the map rather than by skill, strategy, and performance.
I would personally be more than happy to contribute financially on a monthly basis to support the league, but I would like to see meaningful changes regarding the map and the rules. If those changes are made and the competition becomes fairer and better organized, I will gladly contribute every month.

your opinion might matter if you actually contribute anything to this league

it is a valid critique regardless of one's contribution. The map is imbalanced. That is objectively a truth. There are numerous players who decide against contributing because the map used is imbalanced, and because most of the community in SCW is extremely toxic. You enter the website and walk into a cesspool of toxicity. This league is one of the least inviting leagues in existence across almost all games across the entire board of games played competitively in the world.

Now to counter argue against my own comments, if someone cared enough about the map and the toxicity they could organize another league on their preferred map. This league does not have to change and is within its right to remain as it is. We can't demand for it to change if it functions as it is. Can things improve? certainly. Does it have to? no. Is it in the best interest of the league to not implement any changes(doesn't have to be map related)? you decide, and time will tell.

Also a lot of koreans who are legitimately good on USWEST stick to public noob bashing games because they don't have the balls to play competitively. You'll never get these to join.

You spoke like a gentleman, and I agree with you. However, I also believe that there could be some major changes in this league.

Out of curiosity, is the league for sale? If it is, please put the offer on the table. I’d be interested to hear it.

[BeatZ-]

This has to be Premier- crying, something always about the map. Change the map and the league wouldn’t even make it a full season.

[u5wrhwfhsfhsf]

This has to be Premier- crying, something always about the map. Change the map and the league wouldn’t even make it a full season.

I don't exactly see how my post is "crying" ?
Open any thread on this website and its 2-10 people fighting each other. It's off putting.

[Vulture]

This has to be Premier- crying, something always about the map. Change the map and the league wouldn’t even make it a full season.

I don't exactly see how my post is "crying" ?
Open any thread on this website and its 2-10 people fighting each other. It's off putting.

Go back to casting korean games premier. you left this community a while back, you can enjoy your korean games.

[Madara-]

its remarkable we are almost all 40 years old and still act like this. turn around and raise children and have wives. Is this all the game is going to be is not using the brain we developed over the years and instead staying in the time capsule acting like we are all still kids?

what shame that every time someone opens their mouth there has to be someone there to belittle or berate you.

its a wonder why koreans demand being respectful. In chess if any of us acted this way we would lose the title no discusion. Why a game that requires higher brain involvment and strategies that have to be quickly implemented that it takes so long for us to come to the conclusion that using your emotions to relay your thoughts is no where near as powerful as simply using your head and explaining yourself like the grown person you are.

Honestly at this point will be a welcomed point in time when this site goes down due to too much toxicity. People come on to play the game and enjoy a break from life, not to be bullied, belittled and ragebaited for the sake of a small laugh or just because.

I wish this community would grow up as a whole. Stop telling people just to leave cause you think differently. If people leave because the map changes then those are the people that rely on having the imbalance in order to win. I dont like the idea of learning the korean map but i would much rather that than the 30% of games I auto lose because i cant survive a simple drop i couldnt see coming.

Point of the game is to figure out how the best is and have fun doing it. Are you telling me you all would rather keep losing on a map that create the imbalance even at the highest level just because it may require you to put in a little more work? Its the same map just placed differently but although has its own issues creates a much clearer and easier way to tell who the best is.

Let the normal people now who are negative jump on this post because its inevitable and doubtful that only the few will respond without hostility

[Robotik]

100% you could of asked gom to pick matchups, it’s not against the rules.

Could have*

What the hell is "could of"? Third time already

[RoNin]

what gives scw a bad look is riddick spamming the thread with terrible grammar and his picture.

[Kush_Ld[FuN]]

its remarkable we are almost all 40 years old and still act like this. turn around and raise children and have wives. Is this all the game is going to be is not using the brain we developed over the years and instead staying in the time capsule acting like we are all still kids?

what shame that every time someone opens their mouth there has to be someone there to belittle or berate you.

its a wonder why koreans demand being respectful. In chess if any of us acted this way we would lose the title no discusion. Why a game that requires higher brain involvment and strategies that have to be quickly implemented that it takes so long for us to come to the conclusion that using your emotions to relay your thoughts is no where near as powerful as simply using your head and explaining yourself like the grown person you are.

Honestly at this point will be a welcomed point in time when this site goes down due to too much toxicity. People come on to play the game and enjoy a break from life, not to be bullied, belittled and ragebaited for the sake of a small laugh or just because.

I wish this community would grow up as a whole. Stop telling people just to leave cause you think differently. If people leave because the map changes then those are the people that rely on having the imbalance in order to win. I dont like the idea of learning the korean map but i would much rather that than the 30% of games I auto lose because i cant survive a simple drop i couldnt see coming.

Point of the game is to figure out how the best is and have fun doing it. Are you telling me you all would rather keep losing on a map that create the imbalance even at the highest level just because it may require you to put in a little more work? Its the same map just placed differently but although has its own issues creates a much clearer and easier way to tell who the best is.

Let the normal people now who are negative jump on this post because its inevitable and doubtful that only the few will respond without hostility

Agreed. It is nice to see there are still active and loyal players here all these years, but I think this league had potential to be big.

The only games I ever played are SC1 and AOE2 and are quite similar. Aoe2 was slowly dying/plateau for a while in 2011-2015 similar to fastest but today are now huge hosting $10k+ tourneys every month. A big difference I saw was AOE2 players started streaming on twitch and the community were all good mannered. There was so much love that even trolls got tired of getting no reaction or never being invited to a showmatch/inny game.

It seems to me toxicity stems from ego and the feeling of being anonymous. In AOE2 and Korean low $$ there are lots of meet ups and many trying to be pro/semi pro. How do you think these players participating would behave with money and their reputation on the line?

How would SC bw fastest be if the number of high level players grew and there are more sponsors?

[PuMa]

its remarkable we are almost all 40 years old and still act like this. turn around and raise children and have wives. Is this all the game is going to be is not using the brain we developed over the years and instead staying in the time capsule acting like we are all still kids?

what shame that every time someone opens their mouth there has to be someone there to belittle or berate you.

its a wonder why koreans demand being respectful. In chess if any of us acted this way we would lose the title no discusion. Why a game that requires higher brain involvment and strategies that have to be quickly implemented that it takes so long for us to come to the conclusion that using your emotions to relay your thoughts is no where near as powerful as simply using your head and explaining yourself like the grown person you are.

Honestly at this point will be a welcomed point in time when this site goes down due to too much toxicity. People come on to play the game and enjoy a break from life, not to be bullied, belittled and ragebaited for the sake of a small laugh or just because.

I wish this community would grow up as a whole. Stop telling people just to leave cause you think differently. If people leave because the map changes then those are the people that rely on having the imbalance in order to win. I dont like the idea of learning the korean map but i would much rather that than the 30% of games I auto lose because i cant survive a simple drop i couldnt see coming.

Point of the game is to figure out how the best is and have fun doing it. Are you telling me you all would rather keep losing on a map that create the imbalance even at the highest level just because it may require you to put in a little more work? Its the same map just placed differently but although has its own issues creates a much clearer and easier way to tell who the best is.

Let the normal people now who are negative jump on this post because its inevitable and doubtful that only the few will respond without hostility

Based.

People in these forums should be treating each other like fam, we all literally grew up together(since our early teens), I can't wrap my head around the idea of being toxic to one another, I'm closer to a few people on here than I am with personal friends, ive had personal and cool conversations with some people on here.

Early SC days I used to dislike a hand full of people but it doesn't even cross my mind to talk shit to them anymore, it's the past and we were immature children. It really is unfortunate to see you guys going at each others necks, not trying to sound like an emo but it's a justified observation and opinion, the community is far to small to be shitting on each other.

[RoMpeMueLAs]

I don't know if any of the participants or organizers are familiar with the Korean SC scene, but I can share a bit of what I've seen. Their version of the "Fastest" map doesn't have such exposed up positions at 12, 3, 6, and 9 o'clock; there is no 100% air-only terrain, and there are variations regarding whether "walls" allow for unit unloading or not.

Resource amounts are the same in all cases, but because the gas isn't "stacked," it avoids worker bugs—such as workers circling the gas geyser completely or Terran/Protoss units being unable to harvest from the center gas. This makes a huge difference, as build orders and base layouts (sim-city) must be designed to facilitate gas harvesting.

In those specific positions, reaching the "late game" is practically a guaranteed loss, as the opponent might wall off to abuse the spot, without possibility to have a fair game. Regarding Korean finals, matchups are pre-arranged to cover all possibilities without repeating matchups or forcing a player to get Zerg multiple times.

(e.g., PvT, TvP, ZvT, TvZ, ZvP, ZvT) in the event of a tie—such as PvP or RvR.

Players simply choose their races, thereby avoiding results determined by race luck. If the organizers of this league want to make improvements to attract more players, they can speak with me to discuss the aforementioned details.

[PuMa]

its remarkable we are almost all 40 years old and still act like this. turn around and raise children and have wives. Is this all the game is going to be is not using the brain we developed over the years and instead staying in the time capsule acting like we are all still kids?

what shame that every time someone opens their mouth there has to be someone there to belittle or berate you.

its a wonder why koreans demand being respectful. In chess if any of us acted this way we would lose the title no discusion. Why a game that requires higher brain involvment and strategies that have to be quickly implemented that it takes so long for us to come to the conclusion that using your emotions to relay your thoughts is no where near as powerful as simply using your head and explaining yourself like the grown person you are.

Honestly at this point will be a welcomed point in time when this site goes down due to too much toxicity. People come on to play the game and enjoy a break from life, not to be bullied, belittled and ragebaited for the sake of a small laugh or just because.

I wish this community would grow up as a whole. Stop telling people just to leave cause you think differently. If people leave because the map changes then those are the people that rely on having the imbalance in order to win. I dont like the idea of learning the korean map but i would much rather that than the 30% of games I auto lose because i cant survive a simple drop i couldnt see coming.

Point of the game is to figure out how the best is and have fun doing it. Are you telling me you all would rather keep losing on a map that create the imbalance even at the highest level just because it may require you to put in a little more work? Its the same map just placed differently but although has its own issues creates a much clearer and easier way to tell who the best is.

Let the normal people now who are negative jump on this post because its inevitable and doubtful that only the few will respond without hostility

Agreed. It is nice to see there are still active and loyal players here all these years, but I think this league had potential to be big.

The only games I ever played are SC1 and AOE2 and are quite similar. Aoe2 was slowly dying/plateau for a while in 2011-2015 similar to fastest but today are now huge hosting $10k+ tourneys every month. A big difference I saw was AOE2 players started streaming on twitch and the community were all good mannered. There was so much love that even trolls got tired of getting no reaction or never being invited to a showmatch/inny game.

It seems to me toxicity stems from ego and the feeling of being anonymous. In AOE2 and Korean low $$ there are lots of meet ups and many trying to be pro/semi pro. How do you think these players participating would behave with money and their reputation on the line?

How would SC bw fastest be if the number of high level players grew and there are more sponsors?

I don't get why the people who have a capable PC don't stream and push this league/fastest maps. If you're going to play you might as well stream it to keep the game alive and potentially bring in newer players, they do exist out there and a lot of them are willing to learn, the English speaking demographic are forced to watch korean streams with no way of communicating or asking questions that are relevant to SC. Everyone should have taken advantage of the RM release and promoted the shit out of fastest, Idk if it's to late now but there certainly are English speakers who would like to pick up the game.

[TheAdvocate]

its remarkable we are almost all 40 years old and still act like this. turn around and raise children and have wives. Is this all the game is going to be is not using the brain we developed over the years and instead staying in the time capsule acting like we are all still kids?

what shame that every time someone opens their mouth there has to be someone there to belittle or berate you.

its a wonder why koreans demand being respectful. In chess if any of us acted this way we would lose the title no discusion. Why a game that requires higher brain involvment and strategies that have to be quickly implemented that it takes so long for us to come to the conclusion that using your emotions to relay your thoughts is no where near as powerful as simply using your head and explaining yourself like the grown person you are.

Honestly at this point will be a welcomed point in time when this site goes down due to too much toxicity. People come on to play the game and enjoy a break from life, not to be bullied, belittled and ragebaited for the sake of a small laugh or just because.

I wish this community would grow up as a whole. Stop telling people just to leave cause you think differently. If people leave because the map changes then those are the people that rely on having the imbalance in order to win. I dont like the idea of learning the korean map but i would much rather that than the 30% of games I auto lose because i cant survive a simple drop i couldnt see coming.

Point of the game is to figure out how the best is and have fun doing it. Are you telling me you all would rather keep losing on a map that create the imbalance even at the highest level just because it may require you to put in a little more work? Its the same map just placed differently but although has its own issues creates a much clearer and easier way to tell who the best is.

Let the normal people now who are negative jump on this post because its inevitable and doubtful that only the few will respond without hostility

Agreed well put, but let’s be real here. It’s just Riddick, Ronin and Reeko who deliver 90% of the toxicity of this community. Take out the trash and ban those 3 and see what happens.