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Early vs Late Gamers
« on: February 11, 2024, 08:24:29 pm »
Who would you players list as the best Early and Late game players now and the previous eras?

I don't watch many games as I don't have time to download replays but the latest HyDrA matches showed him to be a very good late game manager as he's never below 150 units.

I can't really tell who's the best Early game player as I'm not a top player since I'm relearning the game on Brood War currently.

The players don't like observers live so I don't follow anyone and I'm trying to create my own playstyle so I prefer to ask some of the best players right now on who they consider the best besides themselves! 😊
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Re: Early vs Late Gamers
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2024, 09:20:41 pm »
Out of currently and recently active players:
Early:
Byul > WhiteandBlack >>> Hydra > EviL > Thanathoz > DefjaM > Gohan > QlolQ
Late: WhiteandBlack >> Byul/Hydra > EviL > DefJaM > Gohan > Thanathoz > DingO

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Re: Early vs Late Gamers
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2024, 09:24:11 pm »
Out of currently and recently active players:
Early:
Byul > WhiteandBlack >>> Hydra > EviL > Thanathoz > DefjaM > Gohan > QlolQ
Late: WhiteandBlack >> Byul/Hydra > EviL > DefJaM > Gohan > Thanathoz > DingO

Who is WhiteandBlack and Gohan? I never seen them on Original back then unless they changed names.
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Re: Early vs Late Gamers
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2024, 09:28:05 pm »
Out of currently and recently active players:
Early:
Byul > WhiteandBlack >>> Hydra > EviL > Thanathoz > DefjaM > Gohan > QlolQ
Late: WhiteandBlack >> Byul/Hydra > EviL > DefJaM > Gohan > Thanathoz > DingO

Who is WhiteandBlack and Gohan? I never seen them on Original back then unless they changed names.

Whiteandblack is from the Korean server, also known as Leebokgu and GoldSCV. started playing in early SCW.
Gohan is Dinko.

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Re: Early vs Late Gamers
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2024, 10:14:41 pm »
Out of currently and recently active players:
Early:
Byul > WhiteandBlack >>> Hydra > EviL > Thanathoz > DefjaM > Gohan > QlolQ
Late: WhiteandBlack >> Byul/Hydra > EviL > DefJaM > Gohan > Thanathoz > DingO

Who is WhiteandBlack and Gohan? I never seen them on Original back then unless they changed names.

Whiteandblack is from the Korean server, also known as Leebokgu and GoldSCV. started playing in early SCW.
Gohan is Dinko.

Oh what, good to know!

Is LeGenD] an actual clan or was it a tag rewarded to the old players that stuck around and were at the top? 🤔
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Re: Early vs Late Gamers
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2024, 10:26:00 pm »
Out of currently and recently active players:
Early:
Byul > WhiteandBlack >>> Hydra > EviL > Thanathoz > DefjaM > Gohan > QlolQ
Late: WhiteandBlack >> Byul/Hydra > EviL > DefJaM > Gohan > Thanathoz > DingO

Who is WhiteandBlack and Gohan? I never seen them on Original back then unless they changed names.

Whiteandblack is from the Korean server, also known as Leebokgu and GoldSCV. started playing in early SCW.
Gohan is Dinko.

Oh what, good to know!

Is LeGenD] an actual clan or was it a tag rewarded to the old players that stuck around and were at the top? 🤔

really old clan if I recall correctly. I remember Legen]saint and legend]sven from all the way back in VgT

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Re: Early vs Late Gamers
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2024, 10:31:03 pm »
Out of currently and recently active players:
Early:
Byul > WhiteandBlack >>> Hydra > EviL > Thanathoz > DefjaM > Gohan > QlolQ
Late: WhiteandBlack >> Byul/Hydra > EviL > DefJaM > Gohan > Thanathoz > DingO

Who is WhiteandBlack and Gohan? I never seen them on Original back then unless they changed names.

Whiteandblack is from the Korean server, also known as Leebokgu and GoldSCV. started playing in early SCW.
Gohan is Dinko.

Oh what, good to know!

Is LeGenD] an actual clan or was it a tag rewarded to the old players that stuck around and were at the top? 🤔

really old clan if I recall correctly. I remember Legen]saint and legend]sven from all the way back in VgT

I wasn't around in VGT, do you know any of their noticable AKA? How did they stack up against the Pro] and MaFia. Players? 😯

Saint and Sven are 2vs2 players or 1vs1 focused?
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Re: Early vs Late Gamers
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2024, 10:42:31 pm »
HasH and KeLeVRaN was doing well for MaFia. Cheese was on and off.
HaRDy was the only one doing well on Pro] as Marine and DefJam was not able to play fast enough early game.

Sh)i(ne is the current best player on this league but I don't remember him winning many seasons back when.
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Re: Early vs Late Gamers
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2024, 11:05:55 pm »
Fastest meta changed a lot. For years Kokanee was the number 1 player until LovelyRabbit came over and they shared the top 1 spot on original, with uplus right behind them. This was during UGL. Rabbit introduced different build orders and playstyles.

When UGL ended and SCW started and everyone switched to BW and more koreans showed up. The best few korean streamers came over and they for a lack of better wording completely destroyed SCW at the time. Inbusjaja aka GangNamLife, LovelyRabbit(medium streamer), HankookBBalmu aka Shin(big streamer), Brain(big streamer). They played such a different style with way more focus on aggression and micro that everyone started to adapt build orders a bit and playstyles.

GoldSCV(whiteandblack) showed up in like SCW 6 but had trouble adjusting to the map at first. JH(uplus) also returned around that time and they shared the top 3 ranks with Kokanee, but Goldscv and JH were without question better. GoldSCV and JH kept developing and outgrew Kokanee in a couple seasons. Thanks, a korean low money player showed up and had some very dominant hyper aggressive mico focused seasons. His late game was also crazy good. He quit for a while and never got back into shape. Then Scan, a professional korean played a couple seasons and immediately competed at the top of SCW with extremely good micro focused play. Around this time Byul also started playing SCW and JH played his last season. GOldscv renamed to WhiteandBlack and kept getting better.

Hydra also returned and got knocked around pretty badly by JH, Scan, WhiteandBlack and Byul until he was the first to really adapt to the Korean playstyle that until then nobody had adjusted to. Since then Hydra's been without question the best non-korean player. But because koreans play A LOT on korean server vs extremely good players they get way more practice in against the best players in the world. Like if you had to Rank Hydra including the Koreans from the Korean server he'd rank somewhere in in the top 20-25 in early game but top 15 in late game.

If you had to make an all time best list including koreans from the korean server the list would be something like:
Brain > Gensay > Burgersasu > LuckyBack > 458!!!(protoss) > Byul > Shin > Mong(professional) > Flash(professional) > Light(professional) > WhiteandBlack > Mepo > GangNamLife > LovelyRabbit > JH > Scan(professional) > Dorom > Henessy > Levi > Question > By_Zone > SH > Bame >Trisha > Niture > BomBi >By_Cong > Hydra.

Burgersasu:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2untV6RHYn-FMJe1JZyi-g
Gensay:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVqVyNMZZBh-6VPx1KXiphQ
Brain:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqlcSsDNMYxEsem7bWY-66Q
Shin:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-okJdotaXPlzivRzHFqzuA
Toki:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFJcNk4d6M_dVx2nh9jsp1A/featured
Niture:
https://www.youtube.com/@niture

Byul:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/ByuL
https://www.youtube.com/@user-fc8tc6dh2n
Doromi:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Tinkle
Brain:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Brain
Scan:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Scan
Light:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Light
Flash:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Flash
Mong:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Mong

Check out the game by DeD_ Gensay and LovelyRabbit here. They are the best 2vs2 team to play SCW ever. DeD_GoM and DeD_Dorom without a doubt second best team. After that I'd say Hydra+Evil or Hyda+Gohan are the best, but there is a gap.
https://www.starcraftworld.net/index.php?action=league&mode=2v2standings&season=62
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Re: Early vs Late Gamers
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2024, 11:21:14 pm »
Fastest meta changed a lot. For years Kokanee was the number 1 player until LovelyRabbit came over and they shared the top 1 spot on original, with uplus right behind them. This was during UGL. Rabbit introduced different build orders and playstyles.

When UGL ended and SCW started and everyone switched to BW and more koreans showed up. The best few korean streamers came over and they for a lack of better wording completely destroyed SCW at the time. Inbusjaja aka GangNamLife, LovelyRabbit(medium streamer), HankookBBalmu aka Shin(big streamer), Brain(big streamer). They played such a different style with way more focus on aggression and micro that everyone started to adapt build orders a bit and playstyles.

GoldSCV(whiteandblack) showed up in like SCW 6 but had trouble adjusting to the map at first. JH(uplus) also returned around that time and they shared the top 3 ranks with Kokanee, but Goldscv and JH were without question better. GoldSCV and JH kept developing and outgrew Kokanee in a couple seasons. Thanks, a korean low money player showed up and had some very dominant hyper aggressive mico focused seasons. His late game was also crazy good. He quit for a while and never got back into shape. Then Scan, a professional korean played a couple seasons and immediately competed at the top of SCW with extremely good micro focused play. Around this time Byul also started playing SCW and JH played his last season. GOldscv renamed to WhiteandBlack and kept getting better.

Hydra also returned and got knocked around pretty badly by JH, Scan, WhiteandBlack and Byul until he was the first to really adapt to the Korean playstyle that until then nobody had adjusted to. Since then Hydra's been without question the best non-korean player. But because koreans play A LOT on korean server vs extremely good players they get way more practice in against the best players in the world. Like if you had to Rank Hydra including the Koreans from the Korean server he'd rank somewhere in in the top 20-25 in early game but top 15 in late game.

If you had to make an all time best list including koreans from the korean server the list would be something like:
Brain > Gensay > Burgersasu > LuckyBack > 458!!!(protoss) > Byul > Shin > Mong(professional) > Flash(professional) > Light(professional) > WhiteandBlack > Mepo > GangNamLife > LovelyRabbit > JH > Scan(professional) > Dorom > Levi > Question > By_Zone > SH > Bame >Trisha > Niture > BomBi >By_Cong > Hydra.

Burgersasu:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2untV6RHYn-FMJe1JZyi-g
Gensay:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVqVyNMZZBh-6VPx1KXiphQ
Brain:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqlcSsDNMYxEsem7bWY-66Q
Shin:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-okJdotaXPlzivRzHFqzuA
Toki:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFJcNk4d6M_dVx2nh9jsp1A/featured
Niture:
https://www.youtube.com/@niture

Byul:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/ByuL
https://www.youtube.com/@user-fc8tc6dh2n
Doromi:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Tinkle
Brain:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Brain
Scan:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Scan
Light:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Light
Flash:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Flash
Mong:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Mong

Oh wow, the Koreans seem to have took over the FMP scene so quick and easily. The Vultures I've seen from some Terran players seem to be one of these low money pros or disciples! 😯

I was never near the old school players so it's a huge learning curve for me as I play against all the Brood War strategies.

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Re: Early vs Late Gamers
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2024, 11:29:10 pm »
Is Kush[FuN] Ku)S(h?
I remember MoS from those days running your tag!
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Re: Early vs Late Gamers
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2024, 11:35:07 pm »
also, that list I made is assuming early and mid game. in late game i would move hydra up over Cong and perhaps some others.

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Re: Early vs Late Gamers
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2024, 11:41:31 pm »
Very cool discussion!

I think my brother told me that the Europeans created Fastest Map after the Koreans dominated the Low Money scene with no answers to their strategies and kept it a secret from them until they were ready to run it without being crashed onto by the Korean pros.

Unfortunately the Koreans have taken over now by your responses :(
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Re: Early vs Late Gamers
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2024, 09:59:55 am »
Didn't know J.H was uplus

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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2024, 10:59:21 am »
Didn't know J.H was uplus

Are you an old player? Sky[VcK]?
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