Map balance

[L-Mx]BoSs]

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[TealSilverSteal]

Korean map.

[junkhead]

Damn I don't know if anyone else in our community has ever thought about balancing our map.

Korean map is way more balanced.

Also, there's something fun about having to choose a different strategy when you're at a "spot disadvantage" that makes the game more focused on map control. Play accordingly. Your strategy isn't going to work in every set of spots. Same way on low$ maps.

The truth is that most players are one-dimensional and don't modify their strategy to the situations they're in. And they don't often practice because it's relatively rare that a spot disadvantage occurs (<10% of games with the most painful spawn). Watch the best people play. They alter their strategies and still win.

[tonyG]

Korean map is 100% more balanced. I honestly think the change doesn't happen because spot advantages are the only way top western players can compete with the Koreans.

[u5wrhwfhsfhsf]

Western map you can play on a 4 corner spawn map with slightly bigger choke similar to the Korean map.
One of the biggest issues on SCW standard map is the choke size of corners being too small and the 12 and 6 base chokes being TWICE AS WIDE as any other choke despite ALSO being the smallest bases in terms of size while ALSO being spot abusable most easily. 12 and 6 are terrible bases in every way.

[FaINeR]

Choose your prefer map. You have to be registered here scw
There are 7 maps

https://www.starcraftworld.net/index.php?action=league&mode=joinleague

[L-Mx]BoSs]

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[junkhead]

Damn I don't know if anyone else in our community has ever thought about balancing our map.

Korean map is way more balanced.

Also, there's something fun about having to choose a different strategy when you're at a "spot disadvantage" that makes the game more focused on map control. Play accordingly. Your strategy isn't going to work in every set of spots. Same way on low$ maps.

The truth is that most players are one-dimensional and don't modify their strategy to the situations they're in. And they don't often practice because it's relatively rare that a spot disadvantage occurs (<10% of games with the most painful spawn). Watch the best people play. They alter their strategies and still win.

This sounds like the typical moron retort for allowing an unbalanced map to be in a league. Take care, my point must of completely went over your head.

For what it's worth, I predominately play the Korean map. But just so you know, nothing about my retort was moronic, not factual, or in any other way lacking substance. Just because you disagree with the sentiment of adapting to the specific situations of the map, doesn't mean that the point doesn't have merit. Many other people feel how I feel about it.

I don't presume to judge whether or not you play other maps, but if you're familiar with meta for S rank low money competitive play, then you'll know that you can't do every strategy in every matchup on every map. The map dictates the play. And on many of the maps still in competitive use in ASL today, the spawn points dictate viable strategies.

I think the much more likely scenario here is that you're leftover butthurt about a couple losses you've deemed unfair.

[heavymachinegun]

fainer go make a map new map

[FaINeR]

Bored, 4 bases will be games more than an hour every time.

If you want to play that kind of map use space 4.0 but the choke yes more wide for avoid games lammer 3 hours

[D3inleague]

What kind of map do you guys want? I'll make it and you can play test it

[Decaf]

Find a solution for mid z 

[D3inleague]

Alright, I just made the choke 8 tiles rather than 10 tiles (not sure why 6 and 12 are that wide anyways). What now? Should I slowly release this version over Battle.net until people conflate it with the versions they usually host and it integrates into the community?

[Decaf]

Can you post the file here so we can see it?

[Dreadlord Proletius]

Funnily enough I think our map should be improved and was putting together a new map before seeing this thread. Considering many ideas including a version with 12 and 6 start locations removed. I do think the korean vers is more balanced and have considered incorporating ideas from it.

I've improved the base size and interspacing a bit, and working on getting the chokes optimal. All bases 36 tiles wide now. All chokes 8 tiles.
I can finish the fancy tiles on the edges and release it if anyone wants to playtest and give feedback.



One of the main points to think about is that bigger bases + shorter chokes is generally better, but results in less space between the bases. Korea map kind of solves this by elevating the terrain between the bases so you need vision to shoot over them.

I don't see west players changing to the korean style vespene setup anytime soon..

I would like to see what D3inleague has so far as well.